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Fiat is part of Stellantis right? So this thing is e-waste right off the line.
Here that gadget is pretty expensive IMO. It's not really a car with only 45 km/h top speed it can only drive in the city, and 75 km range is as meager as it gets. It's unsuited for any kind of high speed road, it has absolutely zero in equipment beyond the absolutely most basic. It's little more than a double bicycle on 4 wheels, and can only take 2 people including driver.
Here the cheap version which is even without doors is 99.900,- DKK = 13.300,- EUR or $16.500,- USD
For just 20% extra you can get a real car, a small car but a real car.
Is that real 12 000 DK car electric, though?
No the cheapest electric are not available PT for some reason?
The cheapest currently is the Citroen C3 electric at 140.000,- DKK.
But then you get 3 times the range, a proper 4 seater, proper engine of 113 HP. and with 135 km/h the capability to actually drive the allowed speed on out highest speed roads. And it can charge at 11 kWh on a homecharger or 100 kWh on a fast charger.
And it actually has proper doors! And proper heater, and way way better safety.
The BYD Dolphin Surf is the same price, and has a top speed of 150 km/h.
There is simply no comparison between the real cars and the Fiat Topolino or Ami 1 they are nothing more than a moped that requires a drivers license here. I think the only difference from one that doesn't require a license is that they are very slightly wider. I must admit I'm surprised these can even be legally registered as cars? They lack several safety features that are mandatory for cars.
At half the price they would be cool, they are probably fun to drive, if the weather isn't bad.
99 000 vs 140 000 is quite the difference. And this isn't even the cheapest microcar, not even the cheapest 4-wheeled microcar (e.g. Opel Rocks-E starts at 8400€ in Germany).
they are nothing more than a moped that requires a drivers license here
In Germany, even a Fiat Topolino can be driven with a moped license.
The Citroen C3 electric and the BYD Dolphin are the cheapest electric I could find here in Denmark. But unfortunately we don't have good charts for that for some reason, so there may exist cheaper options.
But the Fiat 500 is nolonger available, the same with Dacia that also made a cheap EV, and Seat made the MII I think it was called, which is also nolonger available.
The Opel you refer to is also Stelantis, the exact same concept as both Ami and Toppolino. The difference may be that Opel is traditionally a German made brand.
Kind of like Vauxhall are cheaper in UK than the same car under the Opel Brand.
If these were availbale here for 8400€ it would be a completely different story, and there is little reason why they should be more expensive here, AFAIK there is no tax apart from sales tax on these small "microcars" or even a small normal car when it's an EV.
The price is definitely a bit high.
I bought a lightly (13.5k miles, 21.7k km) used Chevy Bolt with a brand new battery for like $1000 less than that. I get ~100 to ~200 miles of range, depending on how cold it is. It's not the biggest fan of -10°F (-23°C), but it still gets around 100 miles of range even in that extreme low temperature.
That sounds like a real good deal. 👍
EVs devalue like rocks.
Yes they do, if you want to save money buy it used.
Battery technology is still evolving fast, and the competition is cutthroat ATM (except in USA).
I expect EV prices to keep to decline for at least the next 2 years. And we will get more durable safer cheaper solid state batteries beginning next year.
But for now I'm sporting a cool VW ID.4, which is an absolute luxury car compared to anything I've ever had before. It's amazingly smooth and quiet to drive, it can take tight curbs like compact, and although it's not a powerhouse by today's standards, it feels plenty responsive compared to an normal ICE car.
I bought it 4 years old for less than half price, and it is as good as new!
I highly recommend it.
Around me, 4 year old EVs are teenager cars. You can get a good one for $6000 or less, just o/n charge at 120V.
I don’t know about Denmark, but here in Italy it’s in the same category of vehicles you can start driving at 16 (AM license), so equivalent to a small motorbike and not a real car.
Have en dejlig uge og hej fra Italien :) Var min Dansk rigtig?
Ok we don't have that here.
Dit danske var næsten 100% rigtigt.
Hav en dejlig uge.
Var mit dansk rigtigt?
Very well done. Knowing when to say min or mit is very difficult, it's something you only learn to hear with training. 👍😀. But fortunately it rarely ruin the meaning. It just sounds kind of cute.
Tak ☺️! It’s definitely true, and each language has its quirks
👍
They're called microcars. They're not intended for highway use.
I know, but they shouldn't be called cars at all, and considering you can get a real car for almost the same price, I wouldn't call it low cost. That is a real car for 4 people that can drive on high speed roads and have way better range. But are still compact and nimble for parking in the city.
The price of this thing is ridiculous, at least here it is.
Aside from Boomers who live in Florida's The Villages, who would buy this in the US? Also, $16500 for a car with no safety standards?
Hey calm down now, of course it has safety, didn't you see the rope? 🤣🤣🤣
that's for keeping back the women.
You cracked me up. 👍😁
The crazy part is that you can buy a similar Chinese microcar in europe for half the price.
Taxes on ICE cars prevent that here. But I'm not surprised.
In the EU this is classified as a motorcycle and not a car though.
Nope, it's a car here in Denmark and requires a drivers license same as a car. We have slightly smaller versions that can be used with a moped license. Of which we have 2 categories that do not count for motorbikes. Moped 30 km/h and moped 45 km/h and the motorcycle.
To drive this in EU without a drivers license for a car is only a regional option. So this too is taxed like a car here, but being electric it only has sales tax. As electric vehicles below 40k € are tax exempt.
My wife used to drive an electric Smart Car for her work. Its 60 mile range was perfect for her needs, and she never had to search far for a parking spot in the city. She’d regularly fit into spots that SUVs etc. had to pass by.
Smart is owned by Mercedes. They pulled the Smart line from the US a couple years ago because Americans largely want their tank-sized SUVs and not small efficient cars, even in major cities. Good luck To Fiat as they learn the same lesson…
Since Jeep ended their 4xe trim level, I'd bet it's only to keep their corporate (fleet) average fuel economy high enough to not be fined. Trump reset the cafe standards, but couldn't eliminate them.
This vehicle is pretty cool if you might otherwise use scooters or electric bicycles, but IDK if I'd be comfortable riding these kinds of vehicles if I have to share the road with those riduculous oversized pickup trucks that USians like. Especially if some stretches of your commute are on roads with a >50kph speed limit.
I actually live in the EU, and I don't really understand why the law limits these vehicles to 45 kph instead of the super common (including within city limits) speed limit of 50; it would be a lot safer to be able to go the speed that everyone else on the road is supposed to go (though most cars are driving over the limit anyway). It feels like the law is deliberately endangering the drivers of these vehicles.
if you might otherwise use scooters
Here you can get a scooter with almost the exact same specs and better equipment 40% cheaper. 2 seater, 45 km/h, 60km range.
The Fiat cost 99.900,- DKK without doors, the Scooter is 59.900,- DKK.
And it includes:
Music player
Cabin light
Heating
Electric windows
Including Doors as standard!
Rear view camera
Remote central locking
https://lindebjerg.dk/shop/freedom-6502p.html
I don’t really understand why the law limits these vehicles to 45 kph
I 100% agree on that point, it seems moronic IMO. 50 is the standard city speed limit, and it's safer to follow the rest of the traffic instead of kind of blocking it.
I don’t really understand why the law limits these vehicles to 45 kph
they have no impact protection. Nothing, The doors are even plastic.
This thing is just a version of a mobility scooter.
That was 45 instead of 50. I don't think that would make a huge difference.
This thing is allowed to drive 130 km/h here, and has even less protection.
Honestly. I agree, but... who is actually driving 50? It seems like "everyone" is rather driving 55 or even more. So locking a vehicle at 50 won't really stop them from blocking faster vehicles.
Driving only 5 kph slower than 10 kph slower definitely makes a difference, plus even without cruise control not every car is going 5 kph over the limit. Depends a lot on the place though, there are probably lots of places where it's common to go 60+ in a 50 kph zone.
More an more people are driving the legal limit, because new cars have Adaptive cruise control (ACC) that adjust the speed to the speed limit.
I also used to drive a little bit over too. And when we got our new car, I was a bit annoyed that with the ACC it drives a little bit slower than I was used to.
But very quickly I got used to it, and it's so cool that it adjust speed to traffic too if traffic is slower than the speed limit, and it keeps the breaking distance, and even stops when traffic stops and continues automatically when traffic goes again.
It is very common for me now to be in lanes with traffic that drives exactly the speed limit, and all the cars maintain distance and driving the speed limit, probably using ACC.
So I'd argue that many times everybody is forced to drive the speed limit now, because actually quite a lot of people are doing it, and to pass them all would be both stressful and annoying for a driver that wants to drive just 5-10 km/h above the speed limit.
I didn't know adaptive cruise control did that, that's super cool. I like how it's a special mode (because what if you need to go faster for some reason?), but there's still incentive to use it because, well, it's heckin' convenient! It's basically a "let the car worry about the speed" button.
-- Frost
what if you need to go faster for some reason
With any cruise control you can always go faster just stepping on the speeder. When you release the speeder the cruise control takes over again. You can disable cruise control at any by time touching the break, or turn it off.
I admit I didn't know it was this good before I got it, I just thought it was cool it could keep breaking distance. Which was all I thought it could.
You still have to keep an eye on it though, it can get the speed limit wrong, and you can't use it if there are special weather conditions like snow or ice on the road.
But yes it's an amazing convenience on a normal day. And it has made me be way more calm in my driving, than my old manual.
But also the silence of an electric is amazing, it's like driving a luxury car, and it is much less stressing in traffic.