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cw: discussion of sa / csa and heavy use of terminology to describe the people who perpetuate that

I take an issue with the "ruling class" being dubbed "pxdo class" not because I don't think they are indeed rxpists and pxdophiles, but because of the implication.

As if it's only them and the majority of them who do it. As if the laws don't already favor rxpists regardless of their class. As if our parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts/uncles, their partners, and your partners arent also complicit and engaging in p*dophilia and rxpe.

There was an article here shared that read like it was written by a dude who has only now started to think about this topic, giving evolutionary reasons as to why "its the ruling class and not the lower class" who engages in pxdophilia (and I disagree with that assertion for multiple reasons.)

1.) The pillaging and ownership of bodies is essential to patriarchy, but is also the reward system in colonialism. This (sa/csa) is patriarchal (rooted in the nuclear family / enforced sex/gender binary) and colonialist violence (violence against those considered less than a person by the oppressor.)

2.) The reward for being a good lower-class worker bee is that you get your very own family to assault, to lie for you, and enable you.

3.) Those of us who have had the misfortune of engaging with the criminal "justice" system to punish our rxpists know that the courts will generally favor the rxpist or abuser, so it is no surprise to me that the rich also get away with their crimes.

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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 30 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Calling it the Epstein class is rhetorically beneficial to class struggle. It’s not just about how they abuse children but also how they take advantage of power dynamics for their own gain. It’s about how interconnected these people are, and how depraved they are for the sake of depravity. They are the deciding factor for how our society is currently structured.

We are witnessing what is possibly the most transparent cover-up in world history and it would be foolish not to take advantage of the opportunity to radicalize people against the ruling class

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's a jumping-off point, a way to get a wedge in, and i agree we should utilize the case to radicalize people, but you can only do that when you teach people that patriarchal capitalism isn't bad because of individual bad apples or a conspiracy of bad apples, but because patriarchy and capitalism are inherently unjust, exploitative machinations that will always favor the ruthless, egotistical, abusive elements in a society and elevate them to the top. That this is systemic and Epstein, Trump, Clinton, Gates, Mountbatton-Windsor and all the other scum were in that position because the system we labor under rewards scum, it will always reward scum and even in the rare cases were it doesn't protect its predatory elite it just replaces them with new predators unless we dismantle the system itself.

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

A good transition from Epstein to a general class analysis can start with how there is a double standard for justice; one for the Elite, and one for the rest of us. Liberals can easily see that. From there you can get to how laws are created by and for the same class, bailouts for corporations, enrichment schemes, etc, etc.

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Yeah "pedo class" doesnt make sense, it's just not unique to the bourgeoise, but "epstein class" is great. I love it

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I still disagree with such slogans, the final point should always be about actual class struggle, not just pedophiles or Epstein.

The whole situation can and should be used very widely for raising class consciousness, but turning it into a slogan like that, while catchy, has the danger of misleading people to all sorts of directions except socialism being the answer.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago

It would be nice if we could immediately jump to conversations about class struggle. But if you jump straight to talking about communist theory, you’re gonna scare some people off.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago

turning it into a slogan like that, while catchy

Nobody's treating it anything more than a slogan. Slogans should not be expected to be as rigorously thought out as political lines. That's for manifestos and programmes.

[–] doubledealer@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The Epstein class is the only class that is sufficiently organized. The rest of us are woefully behind until they can never wield power again.

[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah the reason this will never get any of them in trouble is because a significant portion of the US population (mostly men) are essentially okay with it, either harboring some pedophillic tendencies themselves or at least being comfortable enough with it that they basically don't see it as wrong. Look at the number of states where an adult marrying a minor is still legal.

Furthermore this country genuinely hates children. Even its own children and certainly the children of other countries. There is absolutely zero interest in leaving a better society for the next generation. Almost every child here is thoroughly traumatized by one or both of their parents. Anytime proposals are made to improve society for the young, whether it's funding schools, restricting the size of automobiles, gun control, or anything else at least 50% of the population turns into rabid wolves frothing at the mouth for the blood of the youth. We make kids start working when they're ~15 or younger, urge them into debt slavery by their early 20s, and then provide no means of housing or work when they try to make it on their own.

Look at what's happening in Iran right now. US-Isreali strikes murdered 40+ girls at a school. Not a single person involved in the planning or execution of that strike thought of any of those children as human. The soldiers didn't even think the bomb might be more useful hitting a military target. They wanted those children dead.

Kidnapping, violating, and murdering children is par for the course in the US. Hatred of children is widespread. Why would anyone really care that Epstein did any of it?

America is a cannibal country from top to bottom. We are Saturn feasting on our own offspring and the children of the rest of the world.

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Is this not a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie? Is the state not an extension of their will?

Yeah i agree honestly, i posted about the same stuff yesterday (CW SA, misogyny, racism, antisemitism, transphobia). This is systemic, and that it is that much more egregious and organized among the bourgeois class is not due to SA being exclusive to them, it's due to their class position enabling them to fully utilize r*pe culture to their advantage. The average abuser gets a slap on the wrist after one case instead of a thousand because he does not have the ressources to orchestrate the trafficking of a thousand women and girls, but the structure that lets him walk away from his trial is the same that let Epstein off with basically house arrest when he was charged for the first time.

[–] hollowmines@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Laws? Forget the justice system, none of these people will see the inside of a courtroom (unless it's for financial crimes/crimes against states).