Welcome to c/news! We aim to foster a book-club type environment for discussion and critical analysis of the news. Our policy objectives are:
To learn about and discuss meaningful news, analysis and perspectives from around the world, with a focus on news outside the Anglosphere and beyond what is normally seen in corporate media (e.g. anti-imperialist, anti-Zionist, Marxist, Indigenous, LGBTQ, people of colour).
To encourage community members to contribute commentary and for others to thoughtfully engage with this material.
To support healthy and good faith discussion as comrades, sharpening our analytical skills and helping one another better understand geopolitics.
We ask community members to appreciate the uncertainty inherent in critical analysis of current events, the need to constantly learn, and take part in the community with humility. None of us are the One True Leftist, not even you, the reader.
Newcomm and Newsmega Rules:
The Hexbear Code of Conduct and Terms of Service apply here.
Link titles: Please use informative link titles. Overly editorialized titles, particularly if they link to opinion pieces, may get your post removed.
Content warnings: Posts on the newscomm and top-level replies on the newsmega should use content warnings appropriately. Please be thoughtful about wording and triggers when describing awful things in post titles.
Fake news: No fake news posts ever, including April 1st. Deliberate fake news posting is a bannable offense. If you mistakenly post fake news the mod team may ask you to delete/modify the post or we may delete it ourselves.
Link sources: All posts must include a link to their source. Screenshots are fine IF you include the link in the post body. If you are citing a Twitter post as news, please include the Xcancel.com (or another Nitter instance) or at least strip out identifier information from the twitter link. There is also a Firefox extension that can redirect Twitter links to a Nitter instance, such as Libredirect or archive them as you would any other reactionary source.
Archive sites: We highly encourage use of non-paywalled archive sites (i.e. archive.is, web.archive.org, ghostarchive.org) so that links are widely accessible to the community and so that reactionary sources don’t derive data/ad revenue from Hexbear users. If you see a link without an archive link, please archive it yourself and add it to the thread, ask the OP to fix it, or report to mods. Including text of articles in threads is welcome.
Low effort material: Avoid memes/jokes/shitposts in newscomm posts and top-level replies to the newsmega. This kind of content is OK in post replies and in newsmega sub-threads. We encourage the community to balance their contribution of low effort material with effort posts, links to real news/analysis, and meaningful engagement with material posted in the community.
American politics: Discussion and effort posts on the (potential) material impacts of American electoral politics is welcome, but the never-ending circus of American Politics© Brought to You by Mountain Dew™ is not welcome. This refers to polling, pundit reactions, electoral horse races, rumors of who might run, etc.
Electoralism: Please try to avoid struggle sessions about the value of voting/taking part in the electoral system in the West. c/electoralism is right over there.
AI Slop: Don't post AI generated content. Posts about AI race/chip wars/data centers are fine.
I have to call it fake tbh. "Fight and die"? First, they're 'murrikkkans, OF COURSE they want to fight and oppress someone, they are ITCHING to get there. The better if the designated victims are "brown" or "asian". Second, "die"? How? The US and Israhell are in an absolutely advantageous genocidal position, how could you even die in such an op? There is absolutely zero risk, all gain, in this op for US soldiers, so I just don't see them mutining.
Sailors are working class. The entire point of the Mutiny on the Battleship Potemkin was that their lives were about to be wasted in a completely pointless operation. Like right now. This is really mean-spirited. Iran has supersonic cruise missiles and this ship is the biggest target. If it is hit it is a HUGE escalation guaranteed to cause tens of thousands of deaths. Of working class on all sides.
Sailors are working class
I get the vibe but. Can really the military be considered working class? They act against it all the time, nationally or internationally, judicially or extrajudicially, they betray all the principles (that's how you get into the military in the first place).
If it is hit it is a HUGE escalation
On the side of the US. They are the ones marching a ship to Iran in the first place. We know who the real invaders are, in all these modern wars. There's no need to pin the blame on the victims.
Yes enlisted sailors are working class. They are trading their labor for a wage. Draftees are even worse, literal slaves who do not know why they are fighting each other and only wish to go home, as in the Great War that led to the Potemkin incident.
By this logic, strikebreakers are working class. Also draftees always have a choice, prison time in your home country is better than death in another one, they are categorically not enslaved (enslaved soldiers are not a military strategy). Israeli draftees are still settlers and are fully guilty of the crimes they commit.
Draftees are even worse, literal slaves who do not know why they are fighting each other and only wish to go home,
They know they can just drop their weapons and go home. It's not like the generals are setting foot on the front to keep them on a leash there.
Pooping for peace.
I'm hoping this is true, but the USA lies about everything, so I'm suspicious that it's just a misdirection/lie, like when Trump said they wouldn't attack Iran, then they did. "Oh our carrier is having issues, guess we won't attack" then they attack, kind of thing.
This makes the US military look ridiculous and it puts a harsh light on the wunderwaffe and all of the brand new systems that they shoved into it that still aren't integrated correctly.
I am completely 100% certain that the vain idiots would never put out this story on purpose
I really doubt it. Some dumbass grunt would immediately be running their mouth about how it's a lie and they really want to burn the world or whatever
to be honest it's probably because living on a carrier sucks and USS gerald ford has been deployed for far too long, so you clog the toilets in order to get to spend some time on land. there isn't a lick of morality in there that hasn't been beaten out by the commanding officers.
Critical supoort for dudewipes™
This sounds like liberal "support the troops, hate the cheeto" wishful thinking/propaganda. Thousands of 18-20 year old, genocidal, dumb ass gross men probably flush all kinds of things all the time (bored, cum rags, ran out of toilet paper so used a shirt, had diarrhea and shit themselves, pranks and bullying etc)
Idk, if I'd joined the navy under the impression that it'd just be a well paying secure job with a good pension that earns me society-wide respect forever and pays for my degree and all i had to do is clean the decks, do a few military demonstrations and jerk off or whatever, I'd also be mad that theyre making me actually go to war and risk my life for Netanyahu regardless of my politics
There are plenty of shore-based jobs in the Navy. The USS Ford is based in Sasaebo which means Japanese girls. You have to specially sign up and compete for a job on a ship like this. They knew what they were getting into.
Hell there's even jobs for the navy in the middle of fucking nowheresville, USA, if you're a part of naval Aviation. The u.s military is pretty fucking messy in terms of how everything's set up and where people go. Like why are there sailors stationed in the middle of a desert? Why are there army jagoffs on random fucking islands in the Pacific? Why are marines anywhere other than on boats? Why does the air force need mechanized infantry brigades? Why does the space force not actually operate in space? Why is the coast guard going to foreign countries instead of staying at the fucking coast?
It's all a convoluted mess.
Why does the air force need mechanized infantry brigades?
Luftwaffen-Feld-Divisionen, welcome back.
Why are there army jagoffs on random fucking islands in the Pacific?
In case Godzilla comes back
being office of naval intelligence in Afghanistan vibes
Ohhhh, that's why he sucks so bad
The u.s military is pretty fucking messy in terms of how everything's set up and where people go.
If I were around a group of US military personnel from various branches, I don't think I'd be able to resist some trolling by asking them what branch's traditions ought to be followed after a merging of all the branches.
S-tier trolling. I don't think I will ever be in this situation, but I would probably steal this
im not claiming theyre doing this because of any morality, i just think they dont want to get shot at and would much rather be getting paid bucketloads to fuck around in japan
One time in A-School I was stuck cleaning the same floor every day for like a week. Inside a building, lots of us kept our ball caps tucked into the back of our pants during the day. I ducked into a stall to sneak a nap, because labor for labor's sake is bullshit. While entering, I realized I needed a poop, so dropped trou and sat down. Did my business, then when I stood up noted with a sigh I not only forgot my hat had been tucked away...but I had pooped on it.
Can't flush it. Not gonna fish poopie hat outta the bowl to throw it away without gloves or something. So I left to see what I could find. 10mins later we have an all hands called by the base CO.
Apparently someone has made a terrible anti-Navy political statement. They have thrown a ball cap into a toilet and dropped a hefty dump right on top. The CO was livid. Especially once I immediately burst out laughing. Literally in tears at how stupid all of this is. He called me out and I explain exactly what happened in front of a building full of random sailors, who are all also laughing. He stomps off, I get a half-hearted beat down by my Chief, and life goes on.
Anyway, yeah sailors are dumbasses and there's a hundred reasons the plumbing is fucked. Wasn't me this time I promise.
C'mon, Pootemkin was right there!
There's no evidence I'm aware of that this is any kind of intentional sabotage. apparently the ship is, what a surprise, poorly maintained:
8 months at sea takes a toll on the ship itself. The equipment breaks because maintenance and upgrades get postponed. NPR reported in January that the plumbing system on the carrier was getting worse. The carrier that cost $13 billion to build has toilets that are not functional, with sailors working round the clock to fix leaks. "Since it's a vacuum system, a problem with one head can cause all of the toilets in that part of the ship to lose suction, making it difficult for the maintenance crews to isolate a problem. The crews find everything from T-shirts to a four-foot piece of rope clogging the system. But the most common problem seems to be a part of the back of the toilet that comes loose," NPR reported.
do you think people are shitting out t shirts and 4 foot long ropes?
I think people fuck around and get bored and do stupid nonsense when they're at sea for long stretches.
Doubly so for the military where it's all 20-somethings who barely graduated high school doing weird hazing shit to one another.
Source: sister's ex-husband barely graduated high school and joined the Navy where they did weird hazing shit to one another.
Have you seen some of the shit people throw in porta-potties at music festivals and shit?
We are talking about a bunch of bored 20 year old guys stuck on a boat here.
8 months at sea takes a toll on the ship itself. The equipment breaks because maintenance and upgrades get postponed.
That's genuinely kind of pathetic
I wish the US had a military that would mutiny, I'd love to see it.
I only seeing it becoming a possiblity if/when the US takes heavy casualties. In short, the troops are fine killing whoever as long as they don't think they personally are that likely to die
Trying to think of a job worse than "aircraft carrier toilet technician" and coming up empty
20 years ago, i guy i worked with was out of the Navy after doing his 4 years. he said aircraft carriers were the worst posting in the navy, that carriers were basically floating dysfunctional cities with stupid high crime (with routine attempts to downplay or cover up how bad it was & how involved the officer corps was), gang violence to control criminal enterprises ranging from drugs to coordinated, industrial theft, and just generally violent areas one should avoid to not get robbed or assaulted.
it seems like it had the culture of a densely populated island-based prison work camp with a complex system of trustees and furloughs. where the object was to do your job, stick to safe common areas, and stare directly forward/seeing nothing.
Realistically, this is expected behavior when you have what are effectively a bunch of trained killers/child soldiers trapped in a box together
In the Marines there was a string of 4 or so murders in the area of the base I lived at, I got jumped between two of them. The violence doesn't stay over seas.
This is the same thing I have been told by someone who has been out for 4 years, like three weeks ago. Apparently the only thing that has gotten slightly better is that you have abit less of a chance of being outright battered.
But they literally had a secret pee hole on the side of the ship, because they weren't allowed to leave their guard posts for any reason for like 6 straight hours.
Trump did say he would send the criminals out of the country lmao!
Submarine toilet technician. Not only do you have to fish out the dude's shirt, but then you have to sleep in his bunk during his shift.
on a giant bathtub in the middle of the ocean that is probably going to be sunk in the first few hours of conflict I would not want to die for the zionists either
battleshit
poo-tiny
The first war prevented because the belligerent army didnt eat enough fiber.