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Holy shit, that would be an incredible change. Frankly, the entire CA grid should be owned by the state and operated as a government agency. PG&E has consistently demonstrated that they are deeply incompetent and criminally negligent in their management of the system. The fact that they’re still allowed to operate as a for-profit concern is absolutely insane.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

That would literally save lives

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I'm not particularly enamored of publicly-owned utilities, but one data point in their favor


Santa Clara uses their own power utility, and their rates are considerably lower than PG&E's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley_Power

Silicon Valley Power (SVP) is a not-for-profit municipal electric utility owned and operated by the City of Santa Clara, California, United States. SVP provides electricity service to approximately 55,116 residential and business customers, including large corporations such as Intel, Applied Materials, Owens Corning and NVIDIA. SVP also owns and maintains a dark fiber network named SVP Fiber Enterprise.

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Well, this is SVP's site, so not really an objective source, but I think it makes the point, and I've read about it elsewhere.

https://www.siliconvalleypower.com/residents/rates-and-fees

SVP D-1 average residential rate is $0.182/kWh.

PG&E E-1 average residential rate is $0.422/kWh.

$.18/kWh isn't amazing by US standards, but it's much closer to typical US rates than California as a whole is.

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I also experienced much lower rates when I was living in Sacramento, which also has a municipal electric utility SMUD.

Fuck PG&E.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One thing to keep in mind is that I'm pretty sure that PG&E services a lot of rural areas, which are less-densely-populated, and thus more expensive to provide service to.

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Yeah.

https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_MAPS_Service%20Area%20Map.pdf

There might be government subsidy as well, but looking at PG&E's rate schedule, it's fixed across its service area.

https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf

That probably means that cities are partly footing the cost of providing electricity to rural areas via buying more-expensive electricity than would otherwise be necessary.

If one wants to have this subsidy in place


and one might not


then switching to a local utility would also potentially require adopting some sort of tax.

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 2 points 1 month ago

On the other hand, rural power might just be more expensive, and unreliable, because PG&E has siphoned off maintenance funds towards executive pay and shareholder value.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

Why not. The TVA was one of the US's big sucess stories.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

not particularly enamored of publicly-owned utilities,

I gotta ask. Why do you think adding a profit motive to a monopoly is a good thing?

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

its 50c/KWh with PGE where im at. And thats the tier 1 rates.

Solar is going up as fast as they can put it up. My tiny server runs 60-70c per day of usage. (60ish watts per hour * 24 hours). Its crazy.