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[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The next morning, six infantry divisions, two motorized brigades, a paratrooper unit, and hundreds of aircraft, including 186 Heinkel bombers, launched Operation Weser Maneuver. Denmark capitulated. Norway resisted and was crushed. “Once we have the two countries,” Goebbels recorded, “England will be flattened” because Germany could use Scandinavia as “a base of attack.” As for the United States? That country “is of no interest to us,” Goebbels wrote, because by the time the Americans could deliver any material assistance (eight months, in Goebbels’s reckoning) or put boots on the ground in Europe (18 months), the war would be over.

The US didn't especially want to fight Germany on land in Europe, but rather across the Atlantic, a battlefield which played to its strengths. The basic US intent was to keep the Axis from acquiring a beachhead from which it could stage against the US.

If Nazi Germany declared ownership of the American colonies of European countries that it had conquered, US war plans involved occupying them and declaring war on Nazi Germany. It didn't want to have them used by Germany as a staging point for being used against the US; it wanted to force the Axis into a naval war, so that it could leverage its greater industrial power and turn the war into one of naval and air construction, in which it would be able to ultimately overwhelm the Axis.

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Oh, this is actually a better source than the one I was looking for.

https://history.army.mil/portals/143/Images/Publications/catalog/4-1.pdf

The Framework of Hemisphere Defense

The Crisis of 1940

Though the United States Army in the summer of 1939 was stronger and better prepared for action than it had been in the earlier 1930's, it was numerically far weaker than the army of any other world power. On the other hand the United States Navy, somewhat favored over the Army in the initial rearmament program, had a strength just below that of Great Britain. While Japan's ominous naval expansion was making protection of American interests in the Pacific an increasingly formidable task, the Navy in general was ready to perform its traditional function of providing the first line of defense in a war emergency. Nor can the military power of the United States in 1939 be reckoned solely in terms of active Army and Navy strengths. Both services had partially trained reserve components, and the nation's industrial might constituted a tremendous military asset. As World War II was to show, the military potential of the United States exceeded that of any other nation.

Sometime during September 1939, when the President was shown a draft of one long-range scheme for military expansion, he is reported to have said: "Whatever happens, we won't send troops abroad; we need only think of defending this hemisphere." The President and his aides likewise foresaw that no serious threat to the Western Hemisphere could arise unless the British and French were pushed to the brink of defeat. In that event the United States would be faced with the grim choice either of supporting Great Britain and France, "as our outlying defense outposts," or of vastly increasing American naval power to "meet the ultimate issue between us and a Russo-German Europe bent on dominating the world, somewhere in the Middle Atlantic." In an informal discussion on 19 September, the President and Assistant Secretary of State Berle

. . . ranged the globe, forecasting the division of Eastern Europe between Germany and Russia, wondering whether Western Asia was also to be divided, and guessing at the chance of an ultimate German foothold in the Atlantic. Both thought that if Germany won the war, Hitler would try to get his hands on the Azores or Cape Verde Islands, as bases for operations against the Americas. But both agreed that the war's main danger to this country lay in the alternative prospects of post-war economic chaos or a world economy dominated by the dictatorships.

The new joint RAINBOW 4 plan was based on assumptions that clearly indicated the dire forebodings of Army and Navy officers at the end of May. It assumed that, after the defeat of Britain and France, the United States would be faced by a hostile German-Italian-Japanese coalition. Its combined naval power, bolstered by portions of the British and French Fleets, would considerably exceed that of the United States. Japan would proclaim its absolute hegemony in the Far East, and might seize the Philippines and Guam.

Germany and Italy would occupy all British and French territory in Africa, and also Iceland. In Latin America, the Germans and Italians would use every means to stir antagonism toward the United States, and they might succeed in establishing pro-Axis governments in strategically located countries. Canada, remaining technically at war with Germany, would occupy Newfoundland, and the United States would have to join with Canada in the defense of Newfoundland and Greenland. Nevertheless, a considerable interval would probably elapse after the British and French collapse before the United States would be drawn openly into war.

The United States planned to counter these threats initially by occupying key British, French, Dutch, and Danish possessions in the Western Hemisphere claimed by Germany and Italy as the spoils of war. Thereafter, its armed forces must be disposed along the Atlantic front of the hemisphere so as to prevent any lodgment by Axis military forces. In the Pacific, every effort would have to be made to avoid open hostilities with Japan; if they began, the United States should base its defense on Oahu and Alaska. The major portion of the United States Fleet would have to be withdrawn from the Pacific and concentrated in the Caribbean area. Though the original RAINBOW 4 concept had contemplated defense of the entire Western Hemisphere, the armed forces of the United States for the time being would have to confine their operations to North America and the northern part of South America (approximately within RAINBOW 1 limits), extending their operations southward only as additional forces became available. While maintaining a defensive position in both the Atlantic and the Pacific, the nation would have to increase its military power as rapidly as possible, with the eventual objective of limited offensive action. In presenting the RAINBOW 4 plan to the Joint Board, the Joint Planners stressed above all the critical situation that would arise if the main elements of the British and French Fleets were surrendered to the Axis Powers. Should that happen, Germany and Italy would soon attain a naval strength in the Atlantic equal or superior to that of the entire United States Fleet. The planners estimated that the Axis nations would require a minimum of six months to recondition and man the surrendered vessels. For the United States, they pointed out, there would be two critical dates in this process: "The first is the date that either the British or French Fleet ceases to function, by reason either of destruction or surrender. The second is six months after that date. . . . The date of the loss of the British or French Fleets automatically sets the date of our mobilization.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

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The plans and measures for Army expansion to meet the crisis of 1940 were matched by a naval expansion program, designed to provide the United States with a "two-ocean" Navy that could cope simultaneously with Japanese naval power in the Pacific and with the naval power that Germany and Italy had or might acquire in the Atlantic. On 7 June, the Navy's General Board proposed a building program that would about double the existing strength of the Navy in combat vessels. Congress approved the program on 19 July, and by the fall of 1940 the Navy had begun construction on more vessels than it then had in actual service. Outside of the military services, mobilization called forth a host of new civilian agencies under the Advisory Commission to the Council of National Defense to supervise the gradual transformation of the national economy from a peacetime to a wartime basis.

Germany's occupation of Denmark raised immediate problems for the United States with respect to the future of Greenland and Iceland. The Danish colony of Greenland was completely unprepared to resist a German attack or occupation. Since Greenland was considered a part of the Western Hemisphere, the United States opposed its military occupation by British or Canadian forces; such an occupation might give the Germans an excuse to attack this northern flank of the hemisphere. At the same time, the United States Government was as yet unwilling to commit itself to protection of Greenland with its own forces. It limited its actions to opening a new consulate at Godthaab, the Greenland capital; to the establishment of a Greenland patrol by Coast Guard cutters; and to the sale of a small quantity of arms and ammunition to Greenland authorities to be used for protection of the cryolite mine at Ivigtut.

The planners assumed that Germany and Italy could not launch a major military attack against the Western Hemisphere until they had defeated Great Britain and gained naval control of the eastern Atlantic. It now appeared that British naval power based on the British Isles could be maintained at least for another six months. Even if the Axis Powers then gained control of the bulk of the British Fleet, it would take them six additional months to assimilate British naval strength and prepare it for offensive operations across the Atlantic. The United States, therefore, probably had at least a year's grace in which to complete its military preparations. By the end of that year (roughly, by October 1941), American mobilization under the long-range program was expected to produce the 1,400,000-man Army and enlarged Navy that would be strong enough to resist successfully any Old World military aggression against the New. During this year, too, the United States could afford to keep the bulk of its fleet in the Pacific to check Japan. On the other hand, if, as seemed increasingly probable, Japan should in the meantime strike southward in the western Pacific, the United States could not afford to commit a major portion of its naval strength in an effort to stop Japanese aggression. American naval power must be kept mobile, free to shift to the Atlantic to deal with any emergency that might arise there.

In the event, Nazi Germany never defeated the UK, and then attacked the Soviet Union instead of going after the Americas, and was at war with two major powers already when it declared war on the US, so those contingencies never really arose.

The US also intended to make use of Latin American labor to greatly increase its productive capacity, in that contest of productive capacity. That was only ever partly activated


the cataclysmic materiel-heavy cross-Atlantic war with the US and Canada fighting the Axis wasn't the way that things played out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracero_Program

The Bracero Program (from the Spanish term bracero [bɾaˈse.ɾo], meaning "manual laborer" or "one who works using his arms") was a temporary labor initiative from 1942 to 1964 between the United States and Mexico that allowed Mexican workers to be employed in the U.S. agricultural and railroad industries.[1]

The program, which was designed to fill agriculture shortages during World War II, offered employment contracts to 4.6 million braceros[4] in 24 U.S. states. It was the largest guest worker program in U.S. history.[1]

The war plans were not conditional on atomic weapons


they were made prior to the creation of those weapons. However, in that timeline, assuming that the Manhattan Program tracks something like its historical rate in our own timeline, the war would probably have run longer and thus the US and Germany would still be fighting when the weapons became operational. The US would probably thus have wound up utilizing atomic weapons against Germany; the late war US projections were that the US would scale up to mass production of atomic bombs within months. My guess is that the WW2 death toll would probably be higher than it is in our own timeline.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."

  • Karl Marx
[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 57 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Weird how Trump keeps copying Hitlers obsessions…

[–] Restaldt@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

I would bet every penny i have left that it came from Stephen Miller.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 15 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Did Hitler fuck children too?

[–] Fusselwurm@feddit.org 26 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

no, but maybe his niece. no-one knows, she presumably committed suicide before Hitler's downfall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geli_Raubal

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Raubal was dead from a gunshot wound to the lung

Damn. Must be an awful way to go.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

A collapsed lung is painful as hell, and while you would eventually bleed out from the gunshot wound you'd probably be aware of it for longer than you hope

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 16 points 14 hours ago

I didn't know all that about Hitler & Greenland. It really shines a light on the colonial nature of fascism, its existence as a product of the rampant industries of the time and of fear -of being oneself taken over, submitted, forgotten. Nazis are all tied by this one thing : they're terrified.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

Coincidence? Hmmm.