Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 92 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Before Lemmy, I didn’t know it was possible to go so left that you hated liberals.

LMFAO

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Amazing testimonial

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

tbf like 20 years ago I would have thought the same thing. Better (two decades) late than never...

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago

New site tagline

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago

Even when I was a liberal, I hated liberals. So I looked for ways to become even more leftwing. Then I turned 12.

[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 week ago

Lmao at the person comparing this to leftist infighting. Yeah let's not infight over a genocide. That surely ranks high up on the list of trivial things we shouldn't draw a line in the sand on.

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 64 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It makes it so I don’t have to individually block the myriad trolls that emanate from that cesspool. I was seriously a couple pig shit images from never opening this site again.

it works comrades horsepoo-theory

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've tried on libsky (when I was on there) and they genuinely hate it, lmao

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

Always cracks me up seeing that tagline about some lib/fash whining about how they got hit with the pigpoopballs by an admin here.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 week ago

Was about to quote this lmao, got a good laugh out of it

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago

Have they tried crying about it

[–] SummerIsTooWarm@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The second sentence ist tagline worthy

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 52 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There were some libs with the worst case of butt sores in there. "Waaah, these comments are mean!"

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

there were a few crying about losing their euroslop but thankfully they were a minority. now on the lemmy zip post they are complaning about "dbzero turning into a echo chamber" like you need to hear the opinions of fascists or else you are nitpicking and bias

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every day the (real) anarchists come closer to joining hands in a united front.

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Every anarchist should read Mao they'd love him.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Makes sense, he was a member of anarchist orgs in secondary school or whatever the equivalent in that period of China was. My point is that we can look to alliances of convenience like the PFLP and Hamas and Hezbollah as an example of how we can form united fronts instead of bickering over now archaic sectarian beefs. We must unite over our vast shared common ground. The people sewing division based on shit that has no relevance to our shared material conditions must be approached with skepticism at best and extreme contempt at worst.

We are running out of time and if "authoritarian" measures must be taken to defeat fascism and forestall climate apocalypse then it is only logical we must adopt them.

Capitalists get the wall. ICE gets the wall. Fascists get the wall. How is any of this not authoritarian? It is a meaningless watchword for gormless liberals that cannot stomach What Is To Be Done.

I too once thought, naively, that without much force or violence we could simply convince the masses. I have discarded such childish notions and now recognize we have no time for that.

Hell we might have run out of time already a long time ago but we have to fucking try. And if that means executing every billionaire in central park or whatever then so fucking be it. They had their chance to repent and they chose ecocide. Every single one of them deserves to die.

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Can confirm, I've read a lil bit of Mao and he was certified based

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

😠

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

@Civility@hexbear.net

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Rare dbzerzero W

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago

Meanwhile ze Deutsch been racking up the L's today.

germany-cool

[–] WellTheresYourCobbler@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dbzero, welcome to the tankie triad 😎

[–] happybaby@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Aren't we 4 instances now?

Queer Quad big-cool

[–] WellTheresYourCobbler@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah I was too tired to think about it lmao

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, dbzer0, anarchist.nexus, blahaj.zone- Tankie Hexad or Tankie Sextet?

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

blahaj.zone

Isn't there something wrong with that one?

[–] puppygirlpets@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago

anti-communist and way too comfortable with chasers

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago

Huh I wasn't familiar with dbzero's game. Nice.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

Hopefully db0 learns from this, the liberals aren't their friends and any resistance to the liberal status quo will get them accused of being an "authoritarian tankie" that they so despise.

[–] NotMushroomForDebate@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I find it funny how dbzer0 always ends up getting called a "tankie" instance anyway despite their efforts to curry favour with the lib instances.

I wonder if it makes them reflect at all about how their own pearl-clutching about "authoritarianism" is often just as meaningless.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

they would not have arrived at this point were they inclined to reflect on this matter

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

If anything, it makes them double down on left punching

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

It makes it so I don’t have to individually block the myriad trolls that emanate from that cesspool. I was seriously a couple pig shit images from never opening this site again.

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

rat-salute

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cool do discuss.tchncs.de next.

Context:
https://hexbear.net/comment/6928582

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

germany-cool qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If the PFLP, Hezbolla, and Hamas can find common ground and form a united front which anarchists (actual anarchists) have come around to support I do not see why MLs and anarchists cannot.

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably easier to find a common ground in praxis than by screaming at each other online.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

10000-com We don't have time for this shit. The world is dying the porky is winning and we need to unite if we want to avert literal ecocide.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tbd those are all united by nationalist resistance against imperialism but a group that is anti nation can't really allow itself to join a group that is pro nation (or anti / pro state to be more specific)

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes but we can all unite against the nation(s) we are in and against the most destructive of them all (the US and its NATO proxies). After the US is toppled we can focus on revolution elsewhere.

I still retain anarchism as a guiding principle but how we get there is taking on each of these reactionary national projects by focusing on the worst ones first and pretty much any real anarchist active IRL that I know understands this.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'm just speaking to the comparison with Arab nationalist projects, there is more potential for unity when people are on the same side of the contradiction. Anarchists and other non revolutionary leftists are often on the same side as the ruling class in their nations. They replicate and/or reinforce bourgeois control while often putting themselves against "authoritarian" leftists who are fundamentally committed to oppose the bourgeoisie. Their strategies and tactics rely on capitalism to continue and yoke themselves to capitalism, and the leftist symbolism is a way to make themselves feel better about not doing anything to oppose the system they benefit from. I would rather spend my time organizing with the apolitical colonized communities who will embrace collectivism than try and convince rad libs to be professional and approach organizing like it is more than just a social club. Saying this after a decade of working with every type of leftist in coalition spaces and unions.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

Fair analysis especially wrt organizing with colonized communities which is where my focus has also landed in the last few years. Lots to chew on and thanks for the well constructed reply. I do maintain there is worth in agitating among spaces that people are doing good work in any tendency aka food not bombs and other not explicitly revolutionary spaces, going among the masses and whatnot.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Where are these "non-revolutionary anarchists" you're speaking of? 3 networks I have connections to, multiple conferences and bookfairs, 4 of the most prominent media outlets in the past decade, all of them are invariably revolutionary, though some don't have a clear program of how exactly it would be done.

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

germany-cool MARG BAR ALMAN

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wow, even when it's db0 defederating it's still somehow cowbee fault? 🤔

How dare cowbee do this! Why are they dividing us

https://lemmy.world/comment/22230282

[–] Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

Separating the left, and benefitting… Russia? Incredibly powerful fixation

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I didn't know anything about feddit before but seeing feddit users reject all accountability and double down instead tells me that dbzero made the right choice.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 week ago

The instant the admin started attacking db0 users as the vote was happening drove home how much it was needed.