No amount of exercise ever helped my lifelong depression. Maybe it's the generic mutation that keeps me from metabolizing vitamin B correctly, or maybe it's the childhood (mostly psychological) abuse, or the need for actual antidepressants and mood stabilizers to keep me from wanting to kill myself.

But sure, maybe fucking jogging could fix it.

Oh wait, it did say "mild" depression. Well carry on I guess.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

If you are too depressed to exercise, try humming.

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 23 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (7 children)

Depressed? Struggling to engage with the world? Instead of lying in bed staring at the wall, take up exercise. /s

Totally ignoring what depression does to people's motivation.

Edit: plus this same storey gets posted every few years.

[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Similar studies get reposted year after year because the results are valid. I didn’t start running regularly until the day I almost killed myself. I decided running would be good to help get that feeling out of my chest. It’s been fairly effective for years. I still get depressed, but it’s more mild.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago

Exercise helps me with my mild depression.

There’s no need to read this so cynically.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 33 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Probably why it says mild in the title. Running regularly has certainly helped me and my mood.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Regular exercise makes you feel better, look better, and be able to do more things. The fact that half the thread is talking about how they're too depressed to try exercising is really telling that they probably haven't tried exercising.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Right, they are too depressed to try exercising, so they have not tried exercising. That is practically a tautology, so I am not sure what your point is.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I have been in a persistent depressive state for over 20 years, and the thing is that they're physically capable of doing it. You basically have to convince yourself that you don't have a choice but to at least go for a walk or something.

I'm not saying it's easy, but the only one stopping you is you. I occasionally get off track on my workouts and I have to force myself to get back into it. It's not easy, but it's absolutely achievable.

And you don't have to start big. Go walk to the end of your driveway or the office of your apartment complex or something. Do anything, even if it's only for 5 minutes. Then start adding a minute each day. Eventually you'll start looking forward to doing it.

One thing that helped me a lot is my therapist repeating that I drive my brain, not the other way around. That, and 'don't believe everything you think'.

My brain is telling me I don't have the energy to workout, but I know it's full of shit.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

So it sounds like, by definition, you were not too depressed to try exercising because you did it. Go you?

Also, a lot of people simply do not get anything out of exercising, unfortunately; it never stops being uncomfortable tedium that brings no improvement in their mood.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Right, there's no one size fits all solution. But the idea that you're too depressed to do anything is a self fulfilling prophecy. You're fully capable; your brain is just telling you that you're not.

It does take practice to acknowledge and internalize that your brain is lying to you and to set those thoughts aside (which is what Mindfulness is). It's not like I woke up one day and said, "My depression is cured so I'll go exercise."

It took therapy and months of false starts to get to the point where I could force myself to do it on a regular basis. But the only person stopping me was me.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes, but I think that my point still stands that if one is too depressed to exercise, then exercise is not the solution to the depression. You yourself have just said that you had to use other techniques first to get to the point where you were able to exercise.

Also, very importantly, I really think you need to reject the thinking of "the only one stopping you is you", both in yourself and in the advise you give to others, because makes it seem like the problem is a lack of willpower, and I think that telling people that they just need to try harder to fight their brain will just cause them to dig in. Furthermore, since you have been practicing mindfulness, you know that there is no "self" at the core but just a collection of mental processes, and that thinking of there being a "self" at the core actually causes harm by creating a false narrative about the way that the mind works which makes it harder to guide it in a better direction. Telling people that there is a "you" that is the one stopping things from happening reinforces this misconception. The better thing to do is just to speak from your own personal experience of watching your mind and seeing how many of the things that were holding you back were just appearances, and once you came to appreciate that, their hold on you was loosened.

Finally, a lot of people have (very roughly speaking) brain chemistry issues, and all the therapy and mindfulness in the world can only help so much with that.

My general advice would be to be very wary of projecting your personal experiences onto others, even when you are sincerely trying to help (which I believe that you are!)

[–] osanna@thebrainbin.org 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I was walking every day for months on end. It did nothing for my mood. Not just casual walking, I was speed walking. My hear rate was pretty high while walking. It did nothing for me, so i lost all motivation

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You likely need to do something more strenuous than walking.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not just casual walking, I was speed walking. My hear rate was pretty high while walking.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yes, you might need something more strenuous. If speed walking was getting your heart rate to the target zone, then it's possible you weren't in good enough shape to see the mental health benefits.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

Or... maybe not everyone's brain works the same way?

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago

It's funny how people can be so different.

I personally love the feeling of exercising, so unless I am experiencing severe anhedonia—which has happened in the past when I was on a lower dosage of antidepressant—then it always bursts my mood while I am doing it, which provides significant motivation. However, exercise does nothing for my wife except to make her feel sweaty and unpleasant, so she feels no motivation to do it, and even though I understand this intellectually I still have trouble "getting" it.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Do something that will help
Blame someone else for the problem (Both buttons meme)

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 8 points 17 hours ago

MILD doesn't mean all. It may not work for you. It does work very well for some others.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

Dealing with executive dysfunction? Try doing stuff!

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

It’s probably been at least 10 years since I’ve seen this, but there used to be a lot of idiots on forums, including Reddit, who would respond to posts about people being extremely depressed (like debating suicide) and they’d just say stupid shit like “have you tried exercise?”

Exercise certainly helps many people with depression but it is not a magic wand

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 3 hours ago

It's a valid question, though. Lifestyle changes, while definitely difficult, often have a huge impact on mental health.

It's really no different than asking if they tried medication.

[–] ThoGot@feddit.org 2 points 15 hours ago

I mean here it's basically the other way around.

The article is talking about mild depression and people act as if exercise is proposed as a cure for severe depression which renders you unable to do anything.

[–] funkajunk@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, bit of a discipline paradox.

I find what works for me is calling myself a pussy and/or a piece of shit and bully myself into it.

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 4 points 18 hours ago

I always think I'm a piece of shit so that doesn't help. Hating myself into action doesn't work.

[–] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago

I don’t wanna admit it, but I kinda do this too.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Great advice that an unfortunate amount of people instantly discard.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Delivery might be part of it. The advice sounds very similar to the typical "if you want to be less depressed, just don't be depressed" or "you don't need bottle of something that rattles, you need a pair of sneakers and fresh air" business, so a lot of people automatically file it away under the same category.

Something like what the researchers suggested, where even moving a little bit helps, and it doesn't replace medication, though it may make it more effective, is better, but a lot of people will just read the headline and move off.

[–] greybeard@feddit.online 1 points 4 hours ago

There are a lot of things people can do to help with depression, many don't even take physical effort. "Talk to family" is technically very easy, but when you are depressed, it's a huge challenge, even if you know it will make you feel better.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Not long ago I was talking to someone I know who struggles with depression and has always had a hard time motivating to exercise. They were talking about how their current living situation makes it really hard for them to exercise in a natural way, like going for a walk, because their location is not suitable for that. But they were looking forward to moving soon so they could solve that problem. And I said “That’s great, and I hope it works out. But I just want to point out how you have just given yourself a blanket excuse not to exercise until you move.” There’s no date set to move. It was totally just pushing the problem into the future in a self-serving but also self-harming way.

Some people don’t like hearing that they have more influence over how their life goes than any other single person in the world. I mean that’s a lot of responsibility to carry.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

My therapist's two favorite quotes are, "You drive your brain, not the other way around," and, "Don't believe everything you think." They both are based on Mindfulness, which really can help a tremendous amount.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I guess science has been giving us some evidence to the contrary. But what can we do except try?