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I forgot that this is still a Lemmy.world community where somehow it is never the right time to try and get the Democratic party to try or care to earn their votes.
Always to close to an election or to far from one, or not worth it to make them fear for their win instead of blind support.
We can't try something new because what we have been trying doesnt work and we have to make it work before we are allowed to change strategy.
What an insane take.
It's a trait of liberal politics in the States, I guess.
Republicans and Republican voters gravitate towards "loyalty" to popular leaders. We could dissect that all day (especially the ties to U.S. Christianity and the media environment), but that's just how its been; Trump only made it more apparent. He's basically Jesus now.
Democrats and Democrat voters, on the other hand, seem to fracture, dump their leaders, and cling to more personal ideologies at the drop of a hat. Everyone fails each other's political purity tests and becomes the enemy. Hence when this inevitably comes up, Democrafts can't actually get any unity around reform, and the corpo money wins.
In a healthier system, I'd argue this is a good thing (as worshipping idols is problematic), but its a huge political disadvantage right now.
I disagree. Not about the party loyalty to republicans but to the idea that people drop leaders for some perceived purity test.
I think it is a useful myth that excuses the behavior without looking into it more.
People want leaders that support and help them the individual. We are focusing on social ideology instead of financial which is the primary driving factor for Republican voters too. They are just more communal and expect members of their perceived community to be helpful to them and are taught to leave it to a higher power to solve.
Anyways, the Democratic party is not picking policy that is big tent. They are picking stuff that is hyper specific sub groups based on cultural aspects and invites awareness of whether you are in or not. It makes it appear fractured cause we are rallied as sub cultures under a fiscal conservative umbrella. If the policies were pushed as supporting the financially underserved it would be easier to recognize yourself as belonging but it would impact the financial support of billionaires which the party actually courts.
It appears we can't win cause we are trying to play the same policies the republicans do under a guise of social structures need to be fixed instead of financial ones. Push for policies that are big tent and makes it easy to the average person to see them belonging in (poor) and thr support will come but the policies will need to change to. So which comes first?
It needs to be politicians cause no one will trust to elect the other way around.
That's not really true at all. Republican voters are the ones who wanted - and demanded - to have Trump as the nominee. Many establishment figures in the RNC did not want him. However, if they had taken steps to deny him the nomination, there's a very real chance that he would have run third party and split the vote. Hell, his supporters showed up to the 2016 convention armed and in numbers, in part in case the establishment tried something last minute.
On the Democrats' side, the DNC have basically hand-picked establishment candidates for the past three elections, and they do it because they expect people to bend the knee and fall in line behind the lesser evil. Bernie was never going to run third party, and his supporters were never going to show up with guns at the convention. He actively campaigned for Hilary and they still blamed him, even though the number of Bernie-Trump voters was much smaller than the number of Clinton-McCain ones, and Clinton sure as hell didn't stump for Barack.
If Republicans are more loyal to the Republican party, it's because the party responded to what they wanted. And the reason that they did so is because the "my way or the highway" mentality is so much more prevalent on the right. Liberals cannot ever shut up about the "lesser evil" and making the "rational" choice, while Conservatives don't give a fuck about that shit. Conservatives don't masturbate over how they're so rational that they'll humbly accept things they find morally abhorrent in order to prevent a greater evil the way liberals do, they say, "You can take my guns out of my cold dead hands," and their politicians listen to those red lines, at least to a degree.
Meanwhile, establishment Democrats have an actively hostile relationship with the left, and liberals still demand that we support them unconditionally.
It is interesting that Democrats are already in Blue MAGA mode while we are still 2 years away from the election. Last time they pretended to care about Dems running a non corrupt candidate up until 6 months before the election.
If your reaction to this is outrage, you're politically juvenile. It's early 2026, this is exactly the time to be doing this kind of politics. If you already now signal to the Democratic Party establishment your capitulation, why should your concerns even be taken into account. Piker is putting the gun on the table at exactly the right time. Grow up.
If there were ever an election to not vote third party in, I'd argue it's these upcoming elections. They are effectively over the validity of the constitution itself, since the Republicans have clearly demonstrated they have no intention to follow it. A vote for Democrats isn't a vote for Democrats as much as a vote against fascism.
The system itself is incredibly flawed and the Democrats are truly spineless. I have zero hope that they'd do anything to actually fix the system's problems, but when the alternative is becoming even more like Nazi Germany I don't see how voting third party could have any benefit. With the recently increased federal voter ID requirements beyond normal registration I worry that it may be too late to have truly free and fair elections already.
If there were ever an election to not vote third party in, I'd argue it's these upcoming elections.
It never fucking ends with you people…
So the same argument as literally every single election.
If you are voting for a party because they hold you hostage you are not living in a democracy to begin with.
I'm not opposed to it, but unless he (or others) can get a mass movement behind a third party candidate and we still don't have rank choice, I'm probably voting for the ticket that is least likely to give Republicans power.
Those things will not happen so the only leverage you have against Democrats is demanding them to fulfill your demands in exchange for your vote.
Demanding things is not what is being discussed here. Actions with consequence are being discussed.
What is being discussed here is demands. The demand for Democrats to listen to their voters, or once again take a massive L because they prefer gobbling up their donors more than beating Republicans.
Trump will not even go to jail for pedophilia that's how shitty the USA is. If there was consequences Biden, Trump, Obama , Bush would all rot in pridon or being executed for war crimes