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You should let the pantry know as well. They can be a force that could change this. They can let folks that go to the pantry know not to go to those kind of gas stations and also have them call corporate.
I mean the food pantry is apparently the food pantry in creston illinois if that helps
Joe should see a lawyer about a wrongful termination lawsuit.
The Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Food Donation Act (pdf) brought to law in 1996 shields most liability for people donating food exactly like he did.
This may have been a knee-jerk reaction from the employer incorrectly assuming they could be liable if someone got sick. Though its also possible they've been looking for a reason to dismiss a long time employee to replace him with a cheaper one. Corporate ownership makes me leans towards the latter.
Liability if the food is bad. He was fired because the company perceives it as theft. The act does not cover that.
Same reason grocery stores toss perfectly good food in locked dumpsters in lieu of donating it.
The only chain place with fresh food that donates their extra at the end of the day is Panera.
And this is exactly why by law Italian supermarkets have to donate anything approaching its sell-by date.
Oh fuck. We need that law in the states.
They'll get there. The US is still working through the Italian playbook. They're up to the 1930s.
Fuck, too accurate.
On the surface it seems like you're being encouraging. Too bad i've skimmed a history book at least once in my life.
I worked in a grocery store that had a little pizza making section. End of the day they'd throw out a lot of pizza. Management absolutely did not want employees to grab some at the end of the day.
Well, I was friends with the guy who worked there so he'd "throw it out" into my possession. I had a lot of free pizza back then.
Nowadays there's an app "too good to go" where you can get cheap food at the end of the day from places. Not as good as free, but like four slices of pizza for $5 isn't bad.
I want to know who narc'd on Joe.
That person deserves an ass beating.
A manager doesn't have discretion to dispose of out of date stock in any other way than putting it in the bin?
Why would you even have the position of Manager then?
The general corporate answer is that the misappropriation of waste is theft. They'll try to propose that Joe might hide boxes of cookies to take them, causing disproportionate waste. Giving them to the pantry instead of keeping them for himself is immaterial to their rules.
Realistically, some companies move near-out-of-date products to the sale rack and then offer them up to pantries after they pass their best-by date. They should easily be able to look at waste and sales here and make a judgment call. I'm betting someone local had a beef with Joe, didn't get their preferred day off, and turned him in.
Handled correctly, corporate would have donated a shit ton to the food pantry, taken a tax break, improved the community and told Joe to cut it out if they really cared.
If you don't trust someone to appropriately handle waste, you don't trust them enough to be a manager.
Giving them to the pantry instead of keeping them for himself is immaterial to their rules.
This is prime executive laziness. In this case, that should warrant an investigation by upper management. If the regional director fired an otherwise productive manager for what really would amount to 'not getting a receipt for tax purposes,' one has to question whether they've been promoted beyond their capabilities. Rules are for people who aren't trusted to apply critical thinking to their job, i.e. relatively new minimum wage workers. Managers are supposed to be people with enough education, experience, and established trust to make decisions on behalf of the company. If they aren't trusted, they shouldn't have been made a manager.
Didn't Eskimos throw sociopaths off cliffs?
Why doesn't the conversation end there?
When I was in retail, we were required to destroy anything we threw away.
If we had a warranty issue on a product, the manufacturer would usually just ship us a new one because it was cheaper than a repair, and we'd have to provide proof of destruction. My favorite was for kayaks. We had to mail back a portion of the body at least 1 square foot in area that included the serial number stamp.
Yeah, that's just how waste works.
Big Box retail, we used to have to ship most everything non-salable back to depot. The trucks would unload 10 pallets and load one back up every couple weeks. The depo would trash the stuff with proof and get the credits from the manufacturer.
I worked in fast food too, some of the managers would allow some waste to be taken, but it would have been their asses if the DM's caught wind. Slippery slope from accidentally cooking too much chicken to making enough to feed your family dinner. Had one manager once who traded food with Little Caesers and we all had pizza that night, it was awesome.
We had this substitute manager once, she was from a busy store. They always sent the chicken guy home at 7 to save cash and had the back line cook throw down another tray if things got low. Before they sent the chicken guy home, she had him put down two trays. That's 8 chickens worth of parts. On a busy night, we might maybe sell a half a tray between 7 and close.
hey, Rumba, can you tray up the chicken and finish cleaning if I send C home? Yeah sure. (C was always clean AF) I go back there and there were 2 fryers full. Ohhh SHIT.
End of the night we sold maybe half a tray. She came back all worried. Hey, we have kinda WAY too much chicken, I'll be here for a couple more days, any chance you can help me spread the waste out between now and Friday?
I got to take home a trashbag with 36 pieces. And just made almost exactly what we'd need for the next couple days. It was down to breading/cooking a few pieces at a time but we made it work.
Lots of rules like this in large corporate outfits.
If you think this is crazy look into musical instrument disposal policies. It's disgusting
I remember once the heat broke in the middle of winter at my work. I wore a unbranded brownish orange beanie because it was effing cold. I was told to remove it because hats were against dress code. When a customer asked me why I wasn't wearing my beanie I told them the truth. Management told me to take it off because it violated dress code. I was taken to the back for a disciplinary meeting for being "unprofessional". Then let me wear the fucking hat if talking about not wearing it is making you look bad.
This is very much wrong, and something I've always disagreed with.
The reasoning behind it, is 'conflict of interest' (I'm just passing on the reason I was told when I worked for 7-11). The employees in the store look at a 'product forcast', decide how many cookies to make (heat up some pre-made dough) and package for sale. If they are permitted to keep or donate expiring product: they may intentionally make more than needed, ensuring they get free stuff. This goes for all of 7-11s 'made in house' (assembled as best, usually just re-heated. Fried Chicken was the closest to 'fresh' they sell) products. Cookies, sandwiches, hot food, etc.
I get that viewpoint; but I think they should punish abuse of the system, not outright prohibit saving perfectly good food, if nearly expiring/expired, for good causes like the needy/homeless.
It’s not too hard to look at stores and see that there’s a consistent overproduction. Instead they punish people.
Yeah; the current system is a bit of an overreaction. Some people abuse and tracking it is work; so everyone gets punished and food gets wasted entirely instead. Stupid.
At my gas station we were required to put out a certain amount of hot dogs and hothold items but not allowed to eat it even after it's expiration (4 hours) unless we paid for it
The guys at my local 7-11 treat my nephew like their little brother and will give him a bunch of extra food if he goes there towards the evening. "Here take an extra hot dog" kind of thing.
Nice :)
Some of the managers are very nice and are happy to bend obviously stupid rules, others have a massive stick jammed deeep up inside their rectum...
The manager that hired me, re-wrote my employment contract and forged my signature on the new one, to put me as part-time instead of full time. Didn't find out until 3mo later when I asked about my benefits package to the manager that replaced her and got confused looks/responses.
I work in food services and just yesterday a temp was fired for "stealing" leftovers that were going to be composted. Like excuse me? They could at least have gotten a warning since they were new not to mention its a cruel policy to begin with.
Everyone should call the number! The prompts to get you to a human are 2, 1. I just spoke with Stacy, and she literally wrote down my comment. Like with a pen and paper.
Casey's is actually one of the few ethical petrol stations and will actually listen to customer feedback.
Casey's is actually one of the few ethical petrol stations
The very fact we're in this situation kinda tells me otherwise.
Corporate≠regional management.
I don't know. I've been dealing with ai chat bots more than should be reasonable. It was nice to talk to a human.
Our society will not improve until we punish this type of disgusting behavior. The people responsible for firing others for things like this must be held accountable.
Imma need to see bodycam footage and his hr files. If he was grazing the salad bar again, he's toast.
hello - -
my name is joe - -
i have a wife - a dog
and a fam-il-ee
and i work - -
in a cookie factory
one day - - -
my boss came up to me he said
hey joe are ya busy i said no
he said do this - -
so i did - - -
There is too much of this in the world, no big corporation is getting hurt by them donating food they just want to keep from helping people and making the world a better place who cares if they bring them cookies they were going to lose money in anyways at least they actually got used!
I work for a cookie factory and i can give away as many cookies I want :D. As long as I don't get the customers employees in trouble.
Fucking Casey's. Bad food, advertising on the pumps that can't be muted, and now this. Good thing there's alternatives where I live.
Must've breach some stupid must-throw rule all these corpos like.
Casey's.
Big chains do stuff like that. They usually got on trouble once, or got some employees trying to game the system. Stuff with a damaged package can be taken by workers? There's always one guy that 'accidentally' drops the good stuff and then takes it home, and does that every day. Expired stuff can be taken home? Some things somehow end up in the back and are forgotten until one day over expiration. And then there are the idiots that find some stuff weeks expired, take it home, and then sue the company for giving them bad stuff. Usually management finds that it's easier to just outright outlaw taking things home instead of dealing with a few idiots, and that ruins it for all other people handling in good faith.
I'm not accusing you of making excuses for them, because all you're giving is a reason, and you're right. And at first it does feel like an excuse. But "management finds that it's easier" deserves more of our focus and pressure. If they're big enough that it's hard to manage basic employee rules/discipline on the ground, they're probably also big enough to be pocketing loads of profit. It's reasonable to expect that they'd to allocate some of those spoils to finding better solutions than "throw all the food away." For instance, if you pay people what their work is worth, they're less likely to risk termination by taking your old cookies.