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[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 1 points 6 minutes ago

I have a theory. When I was interning with a volunteer group, there was this lovely older lady I was working with; like many groups we used computers for a lot of our tasks and (I think) Windows 7 had just come out. This lady was very much not the type to make her problems everyone else's but I remember her excitedly telling about how she was learning the new process of things on 7, in contrast to Vista. She showed me the step-by-step notes she'd taken to open particular app.s, detailing opening the start menu and where to clickbto find them. Having recently discovered Linux (and desperate to share the good news), I thought she might find my setup somewhat similar and wanted to get her opinion. I figured it'd be pretty similar (open menu; I figured simply searching for the app.'s name would be easier for her than the many steps she was taking) but, right as I typed the first character of the app.'s name, she exclaimed, "Nope! This is too much!" She said it jovially, clearly as in, "Thanks for trying but I'm overwhelmed, already," but I was struck by how much she was clearly going about this as concrete, manual steps rather than putting together a sense of a general UI.

And, for whatever reason, reading through this thread made me think of appliances.

They're always different. Even similar devices, like a microwave, can have a differing UI that can provide unexpected results with little explanation because, well, lack of availsble physical space (as an example, quick microwaving; that threw me for a loop the first time I used one and pressing 2 immediately kicked off microwaving for 2 minutes). If I was using someone else's microwave, no one would begrudge me asking how it works.

Of course, many of these devices come with manuals. I'm not certain how my husband's coffee maker works but I could figure it out, if need be. I'm definitely not saying that the reactions of some older people aren't beyond the pale.

But I think, for some, they're thinking of it like another person's microwave (this more applies to those who generally don't use smart phones, etc. themselves); except a phone or computer is much more complicated so they never quite fully learn it. And, despite their attempts to avoid it, they're becoming exceedingly more integral to our ways of operating because of how easy they make doing things. No one would bat an eye at someone who reheats everything on the stove because they don't like microwaves (or no one gives me a side eye because I prefer to cook rice in a pot on the stove, like my mother taught me to do it, rather than use a rice cooker).

But we're all extremely cognizant when Ethel doesn't want to E-mail the forms because she likes writing by hand.

I dunno; I definitely think therecs a lor of malicious learned ignorance that a lot of people here have clearly encountered but I suspect that the reason "this is the way it's been for 3 decades, now" isn't effective is they're still thinking it's yet another someone's microwave; and every appliance has a different UI (very much less true with smart phones and computers); they don't want to learn it for the (supposedly) only 5 minutes they need to use it. And the frustration that it's not more intuitive builds (unlike with a particular microwave) because (for some bizarre reason~) they keep running into scenarios where they're expected to use it.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 3 hours ago

My MIL ends up in so many fucked up places because she absolutely refuses to give anyone her email. I don't mean like, signing up on forums or whatever, I mean like her fucking doctors and insurance agent.

Whike trying to deal with being in a car accident.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org -1 points 3 hours ago

Important context: US baby boomers are now 62 to 80 years old. I would be careful with being that critical of 80yo people, I'm pretty sure that I'm not going to get into whatever the hot tech of the year is when I'm in my 60s (TBH I already kinda think that most new tech fucking sucks and want nothing to do with it, I'd rather learn to use tech that's older than I am). 62yo people who act like this, though, fuck you, especially the men (who were never discouraged from getting into technical subjects like women often are).

[–] Googlies@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

I work in IT and am also the go to friend/relative for most people I know. No one is as rude as this. Everyone I deal with is always incredibly thankful. I also always aim to teach instead of just doing it for them.

[–] bonsai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 17 hours ago

My uncle is early gen X I think and didn't have a laptop, smartphone, or home internet for years. He got his first smartphone in like 2019. He lives alone and I hardly see or talk to him, yet over the years since he got a phone he has always wanted to be the one to take family photos with it, show me what he's learned or the research he's done. He's planned vacations and managed his retirement all on his own through his new laptop and phone now. It's clearly not an age thing, just a willingness to learn, which he has always had an aptitude for.

'I cant seem to get my head around this newfangled "computer" thingamajig' bitch you lived your life in the kafkaesque abstractions of the financial system. You taught my ass the foundations of information theory. And you can't manage to type in openoffice on god damn linux mint? (C. Early 2010s, might've been ubuntu)

'NERD! you'll never get laid knowing that shit and bossing people around. It's 2008, not 1978, nobody needs to know this wierdo nerd shit. I bet you don't even have a facebook account.' (Was teaching him how to download and open a torrent file. On windows.)

'Tell me how to use this' 'no like in one message. For all of unix. No i cannot check a wiki or read a book. It must be personal 1-1 communication.' (Basic rundowns of how shit works and how to use basic functions) 'Sorry, that was over 140 characters, feels like you're bullying me. Also im not using that ux, im using gnome which you specifically said would be harder for my use case.'

The flavor is generational. My desire to fry them in a slop machine data center's exhaust heat is not.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 18 points 23 hours ago

My mother-in-law stayed over and was having trouble understanding how to use the Brita water filter on the kitchen sink faucet.

In frustration she told my wife that the filter should just always be on. My wife tried explaining to her that you wouldn't want to filter water that you were using to wash a dish because the filters cost money...and she saw her mother just stop listening. As it was described to me, she just walked away and clearly didn't want to understand.

That's a faucet-mounted water filter with three settings: filtered, normal unfiltered, and spray unfiltered. However, the complexities of it frustrated my MIL to the point of ignoring her daughter.

She's also the most tech-literate of the parents.

[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

I remember an incident from 20 years ago when my dad insisted he couldn't figure out how to set up his new DVD player and needed me to do it. And I was just like, how the fuck do you no longer understand how to connect the same color coded RCA plugs your VHS player or stereo has used for decades?

[–] Limerance@piefed.social 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Sometimes it’s an excuse to spend some time together.

[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 15 points 23 hours ago

Sure, but not when he leaves the room while I set it up. lol

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 day ago

What gets me is that it isn't universally an age thing.

My grandmother isn't perfect by any means, but she is able to manage email, whatsapp (surprised me with leaving voice messages through it recently when her arthritis made her not want to type), texting, facebook (including chat), amazon, browsing the internet, video calls, and ordering from non-amazon sites. She's in her early fucking 90s.

She had something she wanted to do and decided to learn about it. She didn't make it everyone else's problem. She has people, including me, who she will lean on for support sometimes, but when she does she takes notes. She wants to know how to do these things and puts in the effort.


Meanwhile her daughter, my mother, has this attitude that "Everything is supposed to be easier with a computer, so if it's not easy it's the computer's fault not mine." If she can't figure out how to do something in two clicks, or if the menu option isn't exactly where it makes intuitive sense to her, my mother effectively throws her hands up and gives up. Combine that with this intense fear of somehow cratering the whole machine if she clicks the wrong thing and she's fucking useless.

She literally couldn't manage getting music off of CDs onto an iPod. You know, the horribly complex set of steps of: plug the iPod into your computer using the charging cable, iTunes will open automatically, put the disc in the drive, it will automatically ask you if you want to rip/import the disc into iTunes, click yes, wait for it to complete, click sync on the iPod in the iTunes menu, wait until it's done, then click eject.


Something that's only going to make this worse over time is the constant attempts to make all of this more simple. Android and iPhones have built in password managers, which can be great (especially linking a Mac laptop's keychain with the person's phone) but if something fucks up all hell breaks lose because it wasn't something they ever had to think about.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 1 points 13 hours ago

"Nothing's working right since I downloaded my game."

Okay dad, I'll fix it. Again.

[–] hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 day ago

I think it's because there was a time when technology actually required things like reading manuals or typing something specific. Like, VCRs and universal remotes and DOS weren't super intuitive so they just decided it was someone else's thing and turned their brains off for anything requiring electricity. Four decades later they've still left them off.

[–] HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

My dad.

I'm not technical!

Yes but... it is an electronic device. You need to plug it in, turn it on at the wall and press the power button. It's been like this for decades now. How the hell have you managed to use a toaster or a TV at this stage?

[–] SpacePanda@mander.xyz 3 points 19 hours ago

Speaking of TVs, how can they not get the concept of having the right input. Fucking had to be on channel 3 for 30 years, now instead of 3 push input until you see it. How's that so hard.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 7 points 22 hours ago

There are so many thoroughly entrenched problems that can’t be resolved without the turnover of a generation or two, but those fixes need to be built, tested, and battle hardened now.

The reason I know things can change for the better is because boomers spent half a century debasing society to the state we see it in today.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Here's the proper response to a technologically challenged Boomer requesting tech support:

"Fuck you, pay me."

Then list your hourly rate, I suggest starting at around $50, at least.

With a gaggle of associated fees/charges for various levels of things and research you have to do.

No mercy, no quarter, fuck your idiot family members, stop enabling them.

Maybe these idiots can realize they've been getting free assistance that for decades has literally been a business model that many people have worked and lived off of.

That they don't know something and that makes them wrong and stupid, not literally everything other than them.

Think of it like tipping culture in reverse, or just an entire category of unpaid labor, if that helps.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I so feel this. Last holidays I just decided I’m done.

“All my contacts are just gone!”
“I know I put the right password in”
“Why doesn’t my mail work?”

[–] SpacePanda@mander.xyz 1 points 19 hours ago

Lol everyone I know has iPhone, I just lie and say I dont know anything about that

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago

Bro hasn't learned to say 'no'. It's not that big of a deal.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago
[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Tumblr does hyphenation?