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Where @Draegur@lemmy.zip gets harassed for this comment:

wow, a lot of the propaganda I’ve had shoveled down my gullet all along has just been straight up false, hasn’t it. China was never the ‘bad guy’…

@starik@lemmy.zip replies

Better in every metric? Try being Chinese and criticizing the government online, and see what happens to you. That’s a pretty scary metric. The US is fucked right now, but at least there is hope in a democracy, while it lasts. If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over. It makes me sad to think that, with modern surveillance technology, there is probably no way for them to dig themselves out of it at this point.

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I was cautiously optimistic when this got posted here, and from what I can tell the Chinese government hasn't actually made this their policy, this is an allegation being made by an Israeli company in a lawsuit about a Chinese company declining to exercise their option to invest in that Israeli company, so unless Xi or somebody comes out with a big move I now think that this is a whole lot of nothing.

edit: oh I see we're reacting to .world's comment section here, not the story, lmao

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

The "Israeli" company is alleging that the Chinese company said they could not continue with a project because they were instructed not to make further investments in "Israel" IIRC, but all of this is third-hand information at least at this point. If it's true, it's definitely good. I guess we'll see.

[–] Krem@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

Try being Muslim and keeping your organs in China.

I'm going to assume he's imagining the owner of a halal butcher shop quickly selling out all the beef tripe and chicken livers

"All my organs, gone!" success

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All this shit about "muh surveillance" in China like a third of the country isn't rural as fuck, you could absolutely wage a guerilla war if you wanted to. Chinese people absolutely have political expressions that are contrary to the party line.

Meanwhile, the most surveillanced city by CCTV per Km^2 ?

London.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Wait until USians find out about Flock cameras

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

typical lib-brained "CHINA STILL WORSE" threads on any good thing from China

This is all they have to hold on to as the US descends deeper into overt fascism.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

@starik@lemmy.zip hope for democracy? What the fuck are you talking about mate the democrats are literally supporting ICE and the only difference between the two parties is queer people and women. Every single other issue, literally all of them, both parties are right or far right on. You're out of your fucking mind.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

the only difference between the two parties is queer people and women

Half of the Democrats have already openly thrown trans people under the bus and they did exactly nothing to preserve the right to abortion, so even in those cases the difference isn't as big as people think.

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

You gotta support 99% hitler because 100% hitler makes us look bad in the internet

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Better in every metric? Try being Chinese and criticizing the government online, and see what happens to you. That’s a pretty scary metric.

Metrics are unquantifiable things that if you did manage to quantify would make China look far better than the US.

[–] red_giant@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

Would love to see that metric and compare it to the number of protestors shot in Minneapolis alone

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's just so pathetic. There's plenty you can do to criticize the government online and in-person in China (they have protests all the time, for example), but the user has never remotely looked in to this question, they just parrot received wisdom of reddit campfire stories and corporate media dreck. Obviously China has censorship and things like that and obviously some of it is bad, but the absurd generality of "Try being Chinese and criticizing the government online, and see what happens to you. That’s a pretty scary metric." doesn't help to advance even real criticism of China, just Cold War outrage at an Other.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

When in China I was amazed at how much complaining about the government actually went on. And it was far more nuanced than simply hating the current ruling party. People had issues with government officials pay, the way money was being spent on various infrastructure projects, things that actually mattered.

Not only that, I met a lot of rich young Chinese people in my travels, people who went to university in the US and spent most of their time over there. They loved the west for reasons like "you can own guns" and "it's easy to get really, really rich being a landlord", also tax havens. They frequently spouted Reuters and Bloomberg talking points about how the Chinese government was oppressive because it stifled their money making potential, and how the housing market sucked because it was impossible to make money speculating on property, unlike in the west.

None of these people were arrested the next day.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Why is China purging their generals?

US armed forces retired everyone they didnt like pre ww2 as preparation for ww2. are they purging their generals or are they just you know, firing/retiring people who are no longer the best choice for what's on the horizon? do we know? do we know anything at all or are we just immediately going oh, the greco-romano-judeo-christian culture in me tells me this is sinister?

the world may never know.

The best time to clean house of your general staff is before the fascists are marching over your borderposts. There was, like, a whole thing about why you don't do what the USSR did and wait until it's too late

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

their tyrannical purges vs our pragmatic restructuring

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

The funny bit about that is that the new Trump admin has gotten rid of a lot of people in the military he didn't like. And even just normal bureaucrats.

Biden fired ("purged") a number of Trump people as well. He left way too many, though, it was kinda shocking.

Yeah, I’m not buying the “gee, guys, I used to believe the AmeriKKKa propaganda, but this really makes me think” act. It must work better on the morons in the tankie communities.

i love when they try to turn our own observations on us. seems like they don't know or care why "why i left the left" is fundamentally different from the realizations every westerner comes to if they choose to research the things they're raised to believe

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago
[–] pongo1231@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Of course, the most meaningful metric of determining whether a country is democratic is if you can call the head of state a doodoo head (which I'm sure people in China are doing regardless)

it must be the best we have otherwise why would we still be quoting the same reagan speech