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Saved you a click: Author believes calling it a placebo is wrong because shamans are actual magic. Erm, I mean metaphysics
The way that headline was written I was expecting some discussion about the pageantry, actual folk medicine in use, and perhaps some stuff about the role of shamans in their community.
"shamanic practice. The latter, she maintains, is based on a complex, multi-tiered metaphysics whereby cause and effect relations beyond the visible material world are deliberately exploited by the shaman."
Yeah ok
I didn't bother reading this in details, but from what I've seen it seems like a same argument as "an homeopath makes people feel better because they talk to people nicely and makes them feel heard so it's not just placebo".
There's not really any point in trying to support religious magic healing at this point. People already believe in a gigantic amount of scam and have no critical thinking, and you start debating about the exact definition of what is a placebo effect even though it's one of the only few bits of "critical thinking" knowledge that people have?
Nah, that's absurd bullshit.
There’s not really any point in trying to support religious magic healing at this point. People already believe in a gigantic amount of scam and have no critical thinking, and you start debating about the exact definition of what is a placebo effect even though it’s one of the only few bits of “critical thinking” knowledge that people have?
have you or has someone u know experienced something like this?
Like what? Religious scams? Yes, obviously.
has anyone u know gone thru shamanic healing?
Ah, is this the " as long as you didn't enter the sect you cannot comment on it"?
kinda yeah. i know plenty of people who got help from this type of stuff. they do ayuascha retreat and sort through their shit and go on to do their thing. but nobody wants to hear about that, they wanna hear about the guy who got a dramatic psychosis.
A lot of scams "work", and a lot of fake medicine too.
Being into it just means that you're going to be biased , and for those things often too biased to have a proper opinion on the matter
how's ur opinion not biased if u don't know anything about it? aren't u biased in favor of objectivity?
I know enough about various bullshit medicines to recognise the pattern. If they want to break out of it, they'll have to manage to prove themselves quite strongly before I go trust blindly some magic belief.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.