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[Article] Not just smoke and feathers! - framing the effectiveness of shamanic medicine in terms of placebo effects alone does not do justice to the sophistication of shamanic practice (www.essentiafoundation.org)

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[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There’s not really any point in trying to support religious magic healing at this point. People already believe in a gigantic amount of scam and have no critical thinking, and you start debating about the exact definition of what is a placebo effect even though it’s one of the only few bits of “critical thinking” knowledge that people have?

have you or has someone u know experienced something like this?

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Like what? Religious scams? Yes, obviously.

[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

has anyone u know gone thru shamanic healing?

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah, is this the " as long as you didn't enter the sect you cannot comment on it"?

[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

kinda yeah. i know plenty of people who got help from this type of stuff. they do ayuascha retreat and sort through their shit and go on to do their thing. but nobody wants to hear about that, they wanna hear about the guy who got a dramatic psychosis.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A lot of scams "work", and a lot of fake medicine too.

Being into it just means that you're going to be biased , and for those things often too biased to have a proper opinion on the matter

[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

how's ur opinion not biased if u don't know anything about it? aren't u biased in favor of objectivity?

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know enough about various bullshit medicines to recognise the pattern. If they want to break out of it, they'll have to manage to prove themselves quite strongly before I go trust blindly some magic belief.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What u define as proof if it's people saying they feel better? Are u saying they don't?

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm talking scientific protocol.

Furthermore, people saying they feel better isn't enough.

Most sect members will say that being a member is amazing, should we all join sects then? What is this absurdity to think that the subjective interpretation of people is what makes a medicine work?

[–] Anuttara@leminal.space 1 points 16 hours ago

How u objectively prove someone isn't feeling better when they say so?