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Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically last only 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction doubles the duration. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
Basically, there was a discussion about how instances have rules and Feddit also needs to abide by local (Austrian) law to not get in legal trouble.
And I get called a Zionazi for saying that you cant just up and call for the massacre of civilians, regardless of which side you are on.
It's also ironic for Dessalines to mock me for sticking to rules and laws to protect our instance.
.ml admins are massive cowards. They don’t like their propaganda called out, or even remotely disagreed with. They want obedience from their users, and anyone that doesn’t fall in line gets banned regardless of having ever set foot in their little instance of mentally challenged clowns.
And seriously… there’s no good reason to support their little shit-hole of a walled garden by providing them with content that is better posted elsewhere.
They wrapped that gift for you. Be sure to thank them.
'WHY ARE PEOPLE LEAVING FOR PIEFED?!'
I found this recently. lol the irony
oh it's diva! Diva's funny
'I'm not a tankie, I'm an anarchist!'
'Here's an image where you call yourself a tankie.'
'MODS. BAN THEM PLS'
It feels like a lot of .ml members are some millennials sitting in a trollfarm in St. Petersburg.
Nah, I doubt there's any agents here. Maybe some chatbots here, I've encountered some, but not state trolls.
They just have a lot of free-time on their hands and they're too deep in their extremist bubble to explore the real world a bit.
Oh they’re obnoxious.
I'm pissed that the mlem app community is on that instance but I understand why since that was the biggest instance back then.
There is no excuse for them to continue allowing that instance now though. .ml is toxic as fuck. I see no reason anyone should continue being federated with them.
The same goes for the .world cowards that are too afraid to lose out on the content from that shithole.
This is the most deranged thread I've ever chosen to scroll through on here.
You can be against two genocides. Being against one genocide doesn't make you for another. This is not a challenging moral conundrum. Anyone trying to paint this as "you either want to kill all Israeli's, or you want to kill all of Palestine" needs some kind of social-emotional-moral help and development, at the least.
People on Lemmy, and tankies in general, are extremely absorbed in campist rhetoric. It's very frustrating having to explain that not everything is so binary.
What are your thoughts?
I was banned for a month from memes@lemmy.ml even though I haven't written anything on .ml for months.
Edit: It's an instance ban on lemmy.ml which I don't interact with anyways.
At least Im not the only one with a fucked up sleep schedule xD
Yeah when you cant go to work because you broke a bone, then you got no rhythm anymore. Then it is less frustrating to argue with random people on the internet.
Unjust laws should never be obeyed.
It's not that simple though. Run an instance that is dedicated to German speakers and not a specific political standpoint. The laws we have to obey are hatespeech laws. The laws don't ban antizionism, they however ban glorification of murdering innocents of a certain ethnicity. Doesn't matter which ethnicity. Some people are just sore they can't voice antizionist critiques without losing themselves in a violent and hateful dream.
Here's the rub bud, if you really were fundamentally against Zionist oppression you would feel appalled by uplifting Zionists and censoring anti-Zionist sentiment including less than polite antifascists.
There are two options, first one is move Feddit out of Germany. I realize that might not be feasible but it is technically possible and would remove the problem of complying with the laws of a state that has literal compelled speech requirements that favor Zionism and Zionists. The second option is more personal, if you yourself actually despise supporting Zionism (I'm pretty sure this If is hypothetical from what I've seen) and you really didn't agree with or support it. You can resign from Feddit and no longer be complacent in the censoring of anti-Zionists or anti-fascists. But I say this is hypothetical because from what you've said in your other comments, I don't really believe you are against Zionism where it counts. Murder and direct violence sure, but the more subtle and more systemic problems of Zionism, not so much. You wouldn't be using strawman arguments to try and justify yourself if you were actually in favor of anti-Zionist sentiment.
Even if you didn't do either of those things, continued to work for Feddit and ban anti-Zionists and antifascists but didn't try to justify it or use some strawman argument to say "No no, they were actually bad people, trust be bro" I would still respect you more than I do now. Because it is not respectable to apologize for uplifting Zionism, silencing criticism of it, and then saying that you stand by doing that. What you have been doing reeks of Liberal Zionist apologia. And it is fucking gross as hell.
Firstly, I am not the owner. I am a voluntary admin and I have had it with your strawmen and badjacketing. I don't get why I constantly have to be on the defense just because you can't get into your thick skull that I am not a Zionist and things arent as extremely black and white as you make them out to be. I don't give a crap if you are anti-Zionist or Zionist. You misbehave on Feddit and can't voice your opinion without bigotry, you face the consequences! You can't not be toxic? Then shut the hell up! Calling toxic behavior "less than polite antifascist" is just bad antifascism. I have responsibilities as an admin and I try my best that I am fair to everybody and not just a specific interest group.
Sure, Feddit has a bunch of Zionists on it, because a lot of Germans are that way. Feddit.org is however a server originally intended for German speakers (and beyond) and not for specific political groups. We have rules and they count for everybody. You violate them, you bear the consequences.
That said, calling for the destruction of any country including Palestine, can be legally understood as a call for also the destruction of the country's citizens. That's why it is an issue.
I am a voluntary admin and I have had it with your strawmen and badjacketing. I don't get why I constantly have to be on the defense just because you can't get into your thick skull that I am not a Zionist and things arent as extremely black and white as you make them out to be.
The thing is that its easy to talk about being brave. Its another to actually.
Its easy to imagn being Rosa Parks. Its good to want to be like her. Its very hard to actually be and all the thankless negatives that come with it.
Should runs into the problem of what happens if you don't.
If you can get away with disobeying senseless laws, you should. But when you're a very easy target, like an established web server hosted in the country in question, you do have to play some risk-reward calculations in your head to decide if this is the hill you want to die on.
A particularly iconoclastic anarchist might legitimately argue that underage individuals should not be subjected to additional privacy laws when online, as a form of ageism, but they might want to sit down and take a long and hard look at whether that's really what they want their website to have a showdown with the state on, simply within the context of their own ideology.
Don't throw good resources away on losing battles. Be strategic.
Whoever is impersonating DraconicNEO, please stop. We shouldn't drop to that level. We are better than that. Also it is really scummy to let out transphobic comments. 
Sounds like antiyanks
Probably is.
did you also get banned from yepowertrippingbastard by a ye power tripping bastard?
Holy shit, antiyanks. Can you stop making accounts trying to dump fuel in the fire?
Yeah, Lemmy is such a circlejerk when it comes to mentioning that maybe murdering innocent people regardless of their flag is probably not a good thing.
Antisemitism is a serious issue on Lemmy, I've encountered plenty of users who unironically use the term "zio," which was coined by David Duke. I've also seen some antisemitic fashwave posted here and there.
Suppose it's only natural, tankies are antisemites and lemmy is tankie, so it's to be expected.