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[–] MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

What a braindead take.

By calling out ICE as masked thugs you're calling them exactly what they are thereby stripping them of any legitimacy they may have in people's eyes by being part of the government. As for calling them gang members, that's exactly what they are. They're members of the biggest gang - the government.

Only a racist person who believes in race would automatically think of non white people when they hear "masked thugs". Anyone who isn't racist and doesn't believe in race just pictures thugs with masks.

The counter to racism is to realise that race doesn't exist, not joining in believing in this arbitrary social construct. Once you adopt this view you stop seeing race everywhere. If you're anti-racist but you believe race exists and you see it everywhere in everything then you're part of the problem.

[–] araneae@beehaw.org 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

100%, thank you. We can not be handwringing every little thing because people like this just want to "be part of the conversation". The only good point here is that this IS just cop shit, but that's the thing, it's on a whole other level where it actually threatens the police themselves, and rhetorically that's useful for once.

Please pick and choose your battles here in 2026 instead of falling for this faux-intellectual college kid bait discourse I'm begging you. ICE are thugs. That term comes from India and refers to a class of dudes who were so hard up under British Imperialism they would just kill people in the road by sneaking up on them. The US govt us debt trapping white supremacist goons into killing for them (no I am not making excuses for them) I'd say it etymologically fits the bill. And if it doesn't okay, I get that you want to make world better and Always Say The Exact Right Thing, but these people are hurting us NOW and when they're down the fucking street taking my neighbors I need everyone to be on the same page with me and not moralize at me about my choice of words! This bullshit is fedposting whether accidentally or intentionally, it's like when CHUDs make fun of us for our best impulses and we can't argue back or else it looks like we're abandoning principles to assholes who are moving the goal posts they control around us to present us as idiots.

"Gang" I more strongly see the argument for... but they ARE that, they ARE organized criminals, and they wouldn't be the first mix-race-yet-white-supremacist-fascist-organized-criminal outfit. See also LAPD and the Proud Boys, etc etc. You cannot just retcon language into being race-based because CNN used it a certain way in the 90s when running urban crime stories. You cannot let the Neoliberal racist world order be the weather vein for what literal words you are and aren't allowed to say, because before those words were forcibly associated with racialized crime reporting THEY WERE REAL WORDS. We cannot do this to all language or we'll be talking like "Orange Man(bad) uses COP ARMY (ACAB, almost forgot heh) to distract us from the fact he grpd and unal*ved Persons of a Younger Persuasion." Please defend our language and our right to express what we're seeing in real time, do not automatically self-censor with no wider consensus based off merely seeing a post. PLEASE.

[–] MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Did you respond to the wrong person? I fail to see how any of what you said could be directed at me.

do not automatically self-censor

grpd and unal*ved

lmao pretty sure you can say raped and killed here

[–] araneae@beehaw.org 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I was replying to you but then I went on a whole extended soap box that wasn't all the way directed at you, apologies.The self-censorship is my point.

[–] MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago

Haha yeah, I was a bit confused but all good!

[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 1 points 14 hours ago

Ive been calling them goons instead. Not because of any reasoning, its just what me and my friends have been using

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also it's not like there's not plenty of history of white gangs (also Irish, Italian, and Russian) and masked thugs in modern American history. If you think these terms are just for Latinos and blacks maybe stop watching Fox News for a second and read a fucking book.

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[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Ok but they're not just cops. As shitty as cops are, they still have legal rules and procedures they must follow. ICE is a separate organization that exists outside of that. ICE is literally the president's personal militia that can do whatever he says and act with near impunity.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 21 hours ago

they still have legal rules and procedures they must follow.

wew

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[–] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I can get behind the term "masked thugs", just as the Einsatzgruppen were thugs. The correct term might be paramilitary secret police, which puts them in that sweet spot where they basically don't have to answer to anyone...Like the Gestapo. The cure for those kinds of people is at the end of a rope.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yeah, they're thugs. If people lack the imagination to realize thugs can can be white that sounds like a them problem to me.

Honestly, this reads almost as "they're not thugs, they are white so it's just policing as usual and that makes it alright". I'm assuming the post is trying to say cops are bad, but if the white authoritarian racist would agree 100% with your statement maybe consider reformulating.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Tbf this goes both ways though. This administration has conditioned me to assume "masked thugs" & "gang members" = "the good guys"

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 21 hours ago

Also, ICE isn't exclusively white people

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Also a bunch of ICE are not white people so it makes even less sense.

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[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This reminds me of that Simple Sabotage Field Manual the CIA declassified. It containes things like:

Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions.

... to interfere with organizations and production.

But it certainly can't hurt to add more info, like calling them "masked government thugs", for example, if you'd like.

I call them Pedo led white supremacist paramilitary gangs. could add more, but it gets a bit long to type on my phone

[–] gsdsam@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago

Pointing out nonsense like this with this in mind is important, keep up the good work.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why would it be racist to use the terms "thugs" and "gangs" to refer to white people? If anything, we should keep using them this way - decouple those terms from racial connotations.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You're right, you should go make a conlang to be sure that none of the words you use have ever been said by a racist in a racist way.

it genuinely sucks that words change and become racist. the R word was meant to be the correct term. but assholes exist.

language changes, too fast if you ask me. but it does. we have no choice but to keep with the times.

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What's the racist aspect of it..?

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[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You might be right, in which case "just cop shit" may be rather damning. Regardless, what does associating cops with criminality have to do with racism?

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago

Well, you see, if you're a violent black you're a "thug" or "gang member", if you're a violent white you're a "cop", and if you disagree with this analysis you're apparently racist.

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