What has Netflix enshittified? Ad supported viewing is a completely different tier and arguably they have provided even more value by bundling in mobile games that are completely ad and micro transaction free. Price increases don't even count as enshittification.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The quality of writing/content
Pumping anything and everything out leading to dropping shows
the loss of some providers and franchises
the tactics around sign in and users
streaming quality
adverts

These were standard and they compromised…unless pay more. They are still making money. They can still afford to employ talent and pay wages. They can still choose to be fair to their employees and customers. But no. Give less, remove features, raise prices is the approach they repeatedly take.

If I bought a dvd its didn’t come with a ban on sharing it. They have conditioned lots to think this is acceptable. It’s not you are the customer. You give them money and it’s still not enough for them.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 58 minutes ago

Netflix doesn't really control the content that other creators allow on their service, so point 3 is moot

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 16 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It does if you inflate the price of the base tier, then add a new lower tier at the old price. With ads.

Or if you have less content and charge more.

Or if you stop making content with creatives having control and instead make it based on producer led content.

Or if you start changing up the cover art of different content and sprinkle it in different categories to give the appearance of more content.

Or if you claim to be about freedom of speech and not judging content based on being offensive or controversial, but then fire workers that you feel are offensive or controversial.

Or if you start buying your competition with the intention of having less competition.

[+] baatliwala@lemmy.world -14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

It does if you inflate the price of the base tier, then add a new lower tier at the old price. With ads.

That's not enshittification that's a price increase. They're not obligated to keep the same price point forever.

Or if you have less content and charge more.

Not enshittification because that's literally how the industry works. Now imagine they have literally all the content, won't you be saying it's a MONOPOLY, KILL THEM ASAP?

Or if you stop making content with creatives having control and instead make it based on producer led content.

Not enshittification.

Or if you start changing up the cover art of different content and sprinkle it in different categories to give the appearance of more content.

Wow person learns how algorithms and categories work. What a revelation.

Or if you claim to be about freedom of speech and not judging content based on being offensive or controversial, but then fire workers that you feel are offensive or controversial.

Not enshittification.

Or if you start buying your competition with the intention of having less competition.

Didn't you just say above you wanted more content?

This is just people crying about something they don't like. If you don't want to use the service don't use it.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

Idk. All those things deffo sound more shitty to me.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What has Netflix enshittified?

Their content.

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure that's really enshittification. It's not so much a way to deteriorate the service to make money as it is an attempt to accommodate the habits of the viewers. I totally agree that we're getting super bad content that's only mildly entertaining if you're doing 2-3 other things while watching, but that's the demographic they believe they have.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

They consider their product to be "Second Screen," which mean it is meant to be consumed while you are on your phone. Matt Damon recently talked about the rules of making a Netflix video, and one of them is that you have to repeat your plot objective several times, so the people who are "watching" while on their phones will get it.

They also mandate the use of certain cameras and lenses and other equipment, to ensure that their productions have a similar look across the platform.

They have lots of other rules that compromise quality and artistic integrity in favor of branding and profit.

That all counts as enshittification to me. It sure isn't good for the future of film as an art form.

Also, enshittification is not in spell check.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago)

Every broadcaster and platform has a list of approved cameras, and always has done. That isn’t enshittification, that’s ensuring technical quality.

As to a house style, again that is longstanding and common. ABC, for example, favours pastel colours for sets and costume. This goes back to Technicolor and their visual control from the 1930s. Nothing new.

[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 13 points 10 hours ago

Weird statement to make considering we can cancel at any time. I did years ago.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 44 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 15 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I do, because historically I want to support the people making content I love.

However, the distribution channels and situation is nearing abysmal quality while gobbling up more and more money. So long term... I dunno... I only maintain 2-3 streaming services at a time, and one is CBC, which I won't be dropping.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 points 58 minutes ago

This 100%.

It has been a weird journey for me, from "Netflix is elevating all of these great comedies!" To Netflix is buying competitors to keep every creator vulnerable.

That said, Dropout, Nebula and Curiosity Stream all seem pretty ethical toward creators. I think the combination of all three costs less than Netflix. (Though I've been on the Netflix boycott for awhile now.)

Also, I can't get over Dropout's ad series encouraging users to share a password to let someone try DropOut. Boss move.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

that's the fun part, basically none of the money you pay actually goes to the people who made the thing.

like 95-100% of the money that the crew of a movie or TV show makes is paid to them during production. There might be a handful of crew, typically writers, actors, and directors who get residuals, but that's typically a very small fraction of the total amount they got paid.

Your money goes to the studio who produced the film/show in order to recoup their investment. and in my experience, the studio doesn't actually give a shit about the creatives who made the thing you love. They'll get rid of them for someone cheaper at the first opportunity, and a lot of them are trying to get rid of them for AI right now.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 15 minutes ago

Netflix don’t do residuals.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I have a budget I set and I spend across a couple creatives and media companies, but they are direct payments tonth creatives themselves. I have no issues paying for people to create works.

But such a microscopic portion of any streaming service payment, coupled with deeply toxic, dark patterned business models, not to mention how the business structure has distorted the model for creative works.

I have views on property rights that I know aren't the most popular on a dot world or even some of the more radical instances. I know a few share it, but I know most don't, but I genuinely don't believe in copyright.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 points 59 minutes ago

I would very much like reform.

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 1 points 12 hours ago

I only maintain 2-3 streaming services at a time

This is the way. Unless their prices fall of a cliff, I'll only ever be doing 1-2 services at a time. There's always plenty to get caught up on

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago

Well I’m certainly not, ya ding dong!

[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 14 points 11 hours ago

That was always an option...

[–] natecox@programming.dev 27 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I fucking hate this capitalist, anti-consumer hellscape. I stopped watching Netflix because I loathe their “multi-screen writing” policy. I don’t want my dollar supporting that and if we roll all the services into one voting with your wallet because practically impossible.

[–] Raise_a_Thoth@beehaw.org 2 points 5 hours ago

Yo Ho Ho!

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Star Trek has left Netflix, so what is it even for now?

[–] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

That's exactly when I canceled.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Weird to be on the same page as the CEO of Netflix. Today I'll think on how you really never know how much you have in common with others.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They are just like us, they are born, they die, they pay taxes…oh wait.

Please do read that as sarcasm. These turdlike meat bags (I won’t call them human) just view others are numbers. ‘Enough squeezed humans/others/numbers’ means a bigger yacht and more bragging power at the country club.

They need shaming at worst, dragging out in the street is better

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 1 points 6 hours ago

I can't resist the humour inherent to the fact that they refuse to pay tax, and also desperately are seeking immortality. Death and taxes are the quintessential unavoidable things! They are tilting at a windmill, and they want to cast us as their Rozinante.

[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 15 points 13 hours ago

I love watching the free market regulate itself.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

Way ahead on this one.

[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

Done