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[–] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

This makes me want to boot up Patapon again

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 points 2 hours ago

Imagine if they’d had the Amen break and battlefield sound systems back then.

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 13 points 10 hours ago

Reminds me of a Scottish bagpiper, Bill Millin, during WW2 who played during the D-Day landing. The German snipers deliberately avoided shooting at him because they thought it was so ballsy and awesome. The guy survived the war.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 15 points 14 hours ago

Drums are loud, so they could be used for signalling over relatively long distances in a time where there were limited options for conveying messages further than you could yell.

Audible signals do have the added benefit that in order to receive them, you don't need to look in a specific direction, so you don't cause any undue distraction with your signalling.

Also, in the time of line tactics, keeping the movements of your units uniform and steady was extremely important, and keeping them in step using drums was a big part of that.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

The Chinese PLA still trains bugle call communications, because unlike radios they can't be jammed.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 hours ago

skill issue (whoever made their radios)

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 hours ago

relatedly there are people whose whole role in the military is using quadbikes to transport messages in times of war, because it's basically impossible to intercept such messages.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 19 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The music of war was often psychological warfare. Some of the battles in india that I have read about describe the drums as so loud you cannot hear someone speaking next to you. They communicated in sign. It could be quite intimidating and during a siege it could stop you from sleeping.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Scottish bagpipes were considered a weapon of war rather than a musical instrument for a good time of history.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly if they're not being played by someone in the top 10%, I'd say they still are.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

They need the right context. I am unsure if it's a sampled bagpipe, actual bagpipe or something that sounds like a bagpipe, but it sounds fucking awesome here.

https://youtu.be/JeCgD8NLDIc?t=121

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 40 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Let's not leave out the flag bearers, creating a tempting target for any artillery or siege weapons.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 38 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

tbf, artillery was pretty inaccurate - by the time it was accurate enough to hit single individuals, sharpshooters were the bigger problem.

But yeah, there's a reason why flag-bearers have such ridiculous casualty rates. "HERE, SEE MY BRIGHT COLORS WAVING ABOVE MY HEAD? I'M WORTH BONUS POINTS"

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 16 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I mean, in Roman times (the Republic, you philistine) losing a flag/standard was a huge shame. 

Later semaphores meant you could cut off communication by killing the flag bearer. Which would be beneficial in a battle  

I don’t know if any of this is true though, just facts I learned from various places and Wikipedia articles. I wouldn’t trust me on this. 

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

It's still a big shame to lose your flag. Granted, these days it's within the same military, generally the same brigade or lower. But there's still intra military respect/shame based on your flag and who's in possession of it.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 17 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Flags in later combat were used for the same reason (and with the same notions of honor and dishonor from losing it) as Roman standards. The flagbearers were around to KEEP THE COLORS HIGH, both to encourage the troops and to give them something recognizable to follow in the chaos of the battlefield. Lost your way? Look for the standard waving at the front of your unit, and follow them forward!

The flagbearers of the US Civil War were separate from the signaling corps, who used different flags and had to run them up and down as needed.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 3 points 14 hours ago

"A man who loses the King's Colours... loses the King's friendship."

https://youtu.be/CG7daMnrNuY

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 16 hours ago

Still, shooting the flagbearer is Standard procedure 😏

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The thing is you didn’t really have to hit one person. They usually marched at the front of said armies.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, the thing is, artillery is generally pretty inaccurate up until a pretty late point. Even in the US Civil War, explosive shot was the exception, not the norm, and if you hit the unit you were aiming for, much less aiming for any particular rank or file, it was considered a good shot.

Famously, General Sedgewick exposed himself under artillery fire for a prolonged period, reassuring his men that the Confederate artillery couldn't hit an elephant at the distance they were at.

... he was killed shortly thereafter, but by a hidden sharpshooter, not the artillery.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You might not be able to hit a soldier, but you usually can hit an army.

The flag just gives you something to focus on.

It’s like the urinal cakes. Just being there draws fire, even if it’s a college bar and they mostly miss the urinal.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

If you can't hit an army unit, you deserve to lose the war. An army is a HUGE fucking unit. Company colors is what you're likely referring to.

[–] Iunnrais@lemmy.world 23 points 17 hours ago

In case anyone was ignorant amidst the jokes, the purpose of both flag bearers and drummers was basically communication, and was utterly crucial for command and control of an army. It wasn’t just an honor thing, though adding honor on top made sure that soldiers wouldn’t abandon it.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

Not just tempting, but with convenient windage markers.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 22 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Not just drums. This phalanx has a double flute.

[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

And later the Celts had the carnyx!

Their trumpets again are of a peculiar barbarian kind; they blow into them and produce a harsh sound which suits the tumult of war

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago

God damn, who brings a vuvuzela to battle?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 11 points 17 hours ago

Drums and horns. "Remember lads, the sax solo is for advancing up the flanks and the kick drum is for the artillery barrage."

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 10 points 17 hours ago

One of my favorites is bands during the US Civil War playing polkas while under fire.

[–] bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 17 hours ago

Now divisions have Instagram accounts, boasting content.