But I’ve been wanting to tell people that I use Arch.
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But I’ve been wanting to tell people that I use Arch.
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EndeavorOS is my go to for arch based systems. But with the archinstall script I'd say just give vanilla a go
Stay away from Manjaro.
I've heard great things about Endeavor and Cachy, but personally use Garuda. Highly recommend it.
Tried Manjaro for a few months before it broke. EndeavourOS has been treating me well for about a year now.
Same. Tried manjaro twice, fully broken after a few months every time. Thought Linux was just too much work and I wasn't smart enough. Been on Garuda for over 3 years without issue.
I feel like manjaro keeps people from adopting Linux. I have friends that will argue about my Linux experience because they tried manjaro and think that's how all Linux is.
I was using Endeavour, btw. Needed almost zero tinkering and was good to go straight away.
But I run Linux on an ancient 2012 MacBook Pro, so eventually swapped over to Debian, btw.
Why did you change from Endeavour to Debian? Didn't it work well on the MacBook you have? Just curious, no judging.
Endeavour worked totally fine, no issues whatsoever… or no issue where Debian does better at least.
My 2 main reasons were:
Ignorance over the point at which hardware components become so old and deprecated that bleeding edge updates might just break something one day. Couldn’t find a definitive answer, but I knew if Debian 13 works fine now it should still be working fine in 2 years. That Mac has outdated Intel/Nvidia graphics that have always been problematic on Linux, and many distros won’t even boot the live USB on it, so it felt like if any computer was ever going to spontaneously have a post-update issue it would probably be that one.
Trying the give my ageing hardware the easiest ride in its senior years. The SSD is still original and approaching 14 years of pretty heavy use, so I thought to have it surviving as long as possible an OS that might only give 0-300MB of updates in a week would be a safer bet than an OS that would have many many more gigabytes of updates over a longer period of time.
EndeavourOS. It's like Arch, but a bit easier with a few automation and gui stuff builtin. It's still heavy on terminal usage and it comes light out of the box. I switched from Manjaro to EndeavourOS, because Manjaro gave me some problems (especially their package manager and because of the AUR too, and I didn't like the maintainers, no further comment). It's my daily driver for years now. I use it for everything, daily usage, little programming, gaming on Steam and especially RetroArch too. I'm a huge RetroArch fan. :-) So if you plan to use base Archlinux or Manjaro, then I can recommend to use EndeavourOS a lot.
Cachy OS is probably a good choice too, because their focus on performance optimizations. But they do also have a bit more, let's say bloat, out of the box and their branding is a bit strong it seems. It's a bit farther away from base Archlinux than EndeavourOS is.
Same, I use endeavorOS. Its just arch with a nice installer.
I was teaching a friend Linux, by ways of running through the manual Arch installation process and finally got to be on the other side of the 'Ok, now that we've spent a ton of time doing this the hard way, here(endeavorOS) is how you use tools to do it in 3 seconds'.
EndeavourOS is the way to go, btw.
I prefer plain old arch
Wait...so you're looking for a solution with zero problems because of...clout or something? I don't get it.
If you like Debian, just stay with Debian. Especially if you're not familiar with what running Arch really means in the deeper sense. Mostly that the guardrails are off, in a sense.
CachyOS puts a ton of work into adding UX helpers that makes it pretty user friendly, but it's still going to have a lot of manual intervention required, but that's a feature to some.
If you have an AMD laptop, maybe look into installing SteamOS and Kodi as a non-steam app. That could be your sweet spot.
i use cachyos, runs swimmingly for me. I'm not sure arch is good for your usecase tho.
Mediacenter/homeserver? I'd personally choose something like fedora, but debian sounds fine too
I used to be a diehard Fedora user and suggested it to everyone. Then they started allowing AI generated code, and I flipped. Moved to CachyOS on both my PC and Laptop, and they have been incredibly solid for about 3 months now.
Just plain Arch, been using it for the past 5 years. Haven't told anyone unless askes though.
Probably not a universal answer as you are optimizing for different things.
I will say that EndeavourOS is essentially vanilla Arch once installed. If you really love configuring everything yourself, vanilla Arch is what you are looking for. If you like Arch but just want to fire up a system with sensible defaults, EndeavourOS adds a lot of value without corrupting the purity of the base system.
So, my vote is for EndeavourOS.
Cachy adds the most additional functionality but also changes the base system the most. If you have a T2 MacBook, this is the best option for sure.
I would avoid Manjaro.
Garuda has fans. A bit much for me.
Garuda has fans. A bit much for me.
When you take away the garish KDE theme the gaming spin ships with it's pretty much just an opinionated ready-to-go gaming Arch with a bunch of convenience tools. If that's what you want then Garuda is pretty neat.
I use Arch btw. It's quite touchy, definitely not the best distro. Do it
EndeavourOS is my first choice, CachyOS is my second choice.
Cachy
Here, I fixed your post for you:
I’ve been wanting to tell people that I use Arch.
I’ve been considering the following distros:
- Arch
- Not Arch
- Not Arch
- Any others?
I’m leaning towards Arch or Not Arch.
For a mediacenter that isn't on bleeding edge hardware, fedora or Debian would be my choice for stability. Performance will be similar regardless of distro.
I use arch on my desktop and laptop and Debian/Ubuntu on servers.
I'm on Cachy myself, but I have put in a lot of time with vanilla Arch. Cachy has an easier installation process, although the archinstall script is also quite simple to use. Cachy takes better advantage of your specific hardware, so it's good for squeezing a bit more performance out of your machine. Arch is more bare-bones, the idea being that you get to and have to customize it yourself, from near the ground up. It's a matter of use case and temperament, really. Both are good, and the differences aren't huge in the end.
I use Arch btw. The best Arch distro is just normal Arch linux. If you really want stuff from other "Arch distros", you can add their repos or customize your configs. There's nothing you can do in an Arch distro you can't do with Arch itself.
Also, Manjaro bad. Cachy, EndeavourOS etc. are fine.
I use plain Arch, but if you are just gonna use it as a media center, use Debian or something like it. A media center doesn't need to be up to date if you're just using it for TV and retro gaming. However, how mediocre are we talking? Are you intending to run full steam games or are you planning on streaming them from another computer?
If the latter, I think Debian or even a healthy rPi running RetroPie might be up your alley because you can install Kodi and SteamLink on that.
I use cachy os for the optimizations on modern hardware and access to newer packages. I use it on ny pc for gaming and laptop for development. I find it more convenient than arch. But I can't say if it is better.
I use plain Arch for desktop, but for servers I use headless debian. A media center is sort of in between, so up to you. In terms of resource usage on an older laptop, I expect the choice of DE would matter more.
Arch if you want to do the install completely by yourself and/or have some setup that can't be replicated by the usual installers.
EndeavourOS/Cachy if you want a simple GUI installer for Arch, but you don't get bragging rights.
Don't use Manjaro
Arch in the front, Debian in the back(end). I run Arch on my laptop and Debian on my homeserver. I've ran Debian on laptops before and if stable is getting older hardware support can be a struggle, much better on a rolling distro like Arch. And having all the newest toys on your desktop is very very nice. While on my homeserver I mostly want stability, everything else runs in (podman) containers anyway.
Cachy is a distro I would consider, because it'll theoretically give you slightly better battery life due to the optimised compiles, although I'm not sure you'll ever really notice. Manjaro has a reputation of breaking far more often than Arch does, so that one's a no for me.
I've always gravitated toward various Arch-based distros. Installed vanilla from scratch a decade ago for a college workstation, sunk a lot of time into tinkering the steam deck's SteamOS, and my desktop's been running CachyOS for just about a year now - the latter's been so smooth that I opted to wipe my Deck and install their handheld edition just because, and that's been pretty solid too.
I haven't really distro-hopped enough to say much else, but Cachy's been my go-to since I first set it up and it'd take a lot to move me off if it. All the Arch benefits with some extra bells and whistles.
Do you use Arch?
Not currently but I have in the past.
Best Arch distro?
Just install vanilla Arch. If you don't want to install it manually, archinstall works fine. But you really should install it manually, following the Installation Guide on the Arch Wiki, at least once.
Don't use Manjaro.
SteamDeck, so yes.
On desktop, SBCs, servers, etc Debian.
Manjaro is the best, but you'll have to see it for yourself.
Don't trust the "wisdom of the crowd." It does not exist.
I use Cachyos on my 13yr old system. Xeon e5, DDR3 ram, mix of SSD & HDD Sata. GTX 1070 ti.
it's excellent. by far the best linux experience I've had (started using Linux in the late 90s).
I use Artix btw. Pretty stable, I guess I have to fix something a few times a year.
Cachyos has a meta gaming package which will install steam, Lutris and a couple of launchers like heroic games launcher. Should have some extra optimisations as well. Lutris can install emulators too, as well as showing games in your steam library. I'm not sure if it can go full screen like retroarch and use a controller to select games, maybe it can.
I’ve had great success with Garuda Linux. I’m running the KDE “Mokka” version.
It’s quite opinionated, so be aware of that, but it’s been very reliable on my HP laptop (it even has hibernation support!) and the built-in apps are top notch.
Just be aware that Arch-based distros tend to shun things like Flatpaks in favor of their own repositories and the Arch User Repository (AUR), and there aren’t any friendly point and click app stores like KDE Discover or GNOME Software. You will have to install apps using the command line or tools like Octopi, which is great if you know exactly what you’re looking for, but terrible for app discovery.
Since I mostly use Flatpaks, I installed Bazaar. You can install Discover, but it only works for Flatpak.
I used to run Manjaro, but after it left two of my computers in an unbootable state after an upgrade a few years ago, I moved on.
I used to experiment around with various distros some years past until I got into Arch. Haven't distro hopped once since, I've completely erased Windows from my life and I'm gaming exactly as I would if I was on Windows. I never have trouble finding a package since almost everything exists either in the official repositories or in the AUR, and I get the latest versions with all the new features and fixes. Rarely some things do break because of the rolling releases, but it's almost always just a matter of a single google search to fix. For me it's worth it for having all the latest versions of everything.
My opinion would be different for a server or a work laptop where stability is much more important. For servers I would pick Debian for sure, for work laptop I'd consider Fedora probably