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Retail stores still selling the same overpriced junk since at least 2019 and even pretending it's on sale (feddit.it)

submitted 1 day ago by pewpew@feddit.it to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

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(Price is in € EUR)

For context, six months ago I bought a renewed Thinkpad X395 for exactly this price and I got: An actually decent CPU and not something as powerful as a Wii, 16 GB of RAM, 256 GB of actual M.2 SSD, a really nice 1080p Touchscreen, really nice build quality with metal and a nice backlit keyboard. Heck, even when I bought a cheap laptop in May 2020 it was much better than this and it even was brand new for the same price.

I know this CPU very well, for this price you are getting something that has trouble playing a Youtube video in 1080p at 60 FPS and can't even run the latest version of Minecraft at above 10 FPS. Now imagine this combined with Windows 11 and only 4 GB of RAM...

No, this is not because of the current hardware crysis, this is pure greed. But hey, 1 year of Microslop 365 is included!

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[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

Excited for 2026 being Year of the TUI Desktop

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago

General merchandise will become even cheaper once the populace is squeezed even harder for their food money. No one will buy that new tech when they're saving up for that lettuce they've got their eye on.

[–] Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I thought windows 11 needed way more than 4GB of ram

[–] pewpew@feddit.it 1 points 4 hours ago

Tecnically it meets the requirements

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 3 points 12 hours ago

I have a handed down Surface Go 2 with 4GB of RAM. The thing was damn near unusable with its stock Windows installation. I've put Mint on it now and it's actually a nice little machine.

[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Windows Vista also needed more than 1GB and some manufacturers still sold their subpar devices with it. Some things never change.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Windows Vista launch was a fucking mess. My office bought a laptop for a coworker in early 2007 that shipped with Vista but didn't have Vista-compatible drivers for the on-board audio. They had to buy an external USB sound card.

[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That's hilarious! :D A friend of mine bought a Sony Vaio laptop back then which had a 64bit CPU, but only 32bit drivers. Not even XP, only Vista, so you couldn't even downgrade.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The thing with Vista was it was it was th3 first really major rebuild of Windows in a long time. Going to 98, ME, XP, etc you had increased minimum specs, but things like drivers and shit generally worked fine, so as long as you had the necessary RAM and processor to run the OS, you could just install the new version and shit would probably work.

So when Vista came along, the manufacturers selling existing models just shipped with the new OS expecting everything to work without testing.

[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

True, but it also didn't help that Microsoft set really low system specs for "Windows Vista Ready". So we had a lot of computers with an official Vista badge that weren't really capable of running it well.

The specs to earn that badge were 512MB of RAM and an 800MHz processor, which was absolutely not enough for it.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Yeah. They published the minimum specs to get the OS to run at all with zero consideration for running actual software.

[–] dumbadoor@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And again someone will buy that crap and be completely OK with that. Because its "cheap"

My grandfather always said: I'm not rich enough to buy cheap stuff.

And that applies to this situation as well

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

I'm stealing your grandfather's saying

[–] RedIce25@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah Intel Celeron+4gb ram is a total slogfest on Windows, Linux makes it a bit more bearable.

If they are made to be as cheap as possible, why don't they just drop the Windows license and preload them with Linux Mint or something?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Because then 97% of the public wouldn't buy it.

[–] pewpew@feddit.it 4 points 1 day ago

In 2020 I had a laptop with that same Celeron N4000 but with 8GB of RAM and an M.2 SSD. It wasn't that bad on Linux, maybe this was best case scenario, but still doing anything took forever

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Ooh, a Celeron N4000. I will see you, and raise you this piece of shit we have at work:

My boss bought this as one of those Black Friday "deals" for about $99 USD. The sticker on the bottom doesn't seem to reveal its manufacturing date but I believe this model was released in 2018. Really, it's just a netbook in all but name.

We use this specifically to drive a walk-around barcode scanner in our warehouse and the software we have to use on it is Windows only. It's tiny and still somehow gets stellar battery life, and it's deliberately so cheap as to be disposable so when the day inevitably comes that it gets smashed, no one will care.

With Win10 IoT on it the thing actually runs tolerably for our intended use case, which is the aforementioned barcode bleeping and nothing else. And at least yours there has a 1080p display; this one is only 1366 x 768 so doing practically anything else on it is excruciating anyway. What amuses me the most about it is that with only 29 gigs of usable storage there literally isn't enough left over to run Windows updates. I have this thing as ruthlessly pared down as I can get without creating a custom Windows installation or something and for the big updates, you have to attach an external USB drive to it.

I can't fathom trying to run Windows 11 on it. Fuck all that noise.

[–] pewpew@feddit.it 1 points 4 hours ago

The Celeron N4000 was also the CPU I had in my laptop that I bought in 2020. Everybody says it's a terrible CPU but it's actually not a bad choice for embedded applications or really low cost chromebooks, also considering that it has a TDP of just 6 watts! What I'm not okay with is OEMs putting it in consumer oriented laptops and getting away with these prices

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The license to run win 10 iot cost more than the laptop. I would love to get our IT to run win 10 iot but it's a pain to even get licenses and expensive to get them legitimately

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://massgrave.dev/

If you have to do it legitimately for corporate liability purposes then yes, actually buying licenses will not be cost effective. But activating the LTSC versions is otherwise trivially easy.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I mean when I have to use windows personally, I use win 10 iot. However, at work, we can't risk that and we're broke so were still on win 10

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess as long as the laptop isn't connecting to anything else and you are transferring data via USB, there is no issue. The fact that it is using special software makes me think it is directly connected to your database, making that a loose cannon if there is any kind of compromise.

W10 IOT dropped support last year, so it will not receive security patches UNLESS you are using W10 IOT Enterprise LTSC. I doubt it because the license is twice the cost of the laptop. It's available from CDW, but I think there are stipulations.

Your boss would have been better off buying a used enterprise laptop from Amazon.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am explicitly using LTSC.

You don't need a license if you know about massgrave.dev. I'm only using this because our warehouse software requires Windows and the latter is already bought and paid for. Otherwise, Microsoft can bite me.

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago

Personally, I would gladly activate friends and family using mass grave.

Professionally, while I have never seen an audit in decades, I would not bypass Microsoft activation in a professional setting. It's the company's hardware, and if they insist on using it they will need to pony up for a licence. I'm not liable for the device if I advise it is not able to be updated and they insist on using it. I will be liable if I use the activation script.

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not even a real hard drive, but an eMMC with a horrendous I/O speed, plus that low performance CPU paired with 4 GB Ram and the windows 11.. I'm sure that thing needs 30 minutes get to the desktop - if you keep your autostart clean

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't buy consumer laptops, especially not ones that are this cheap. Buy used business laptops; Dell Latitude, Lenovo ThinkPad, even used HP EliteBooks are better are better value than most stuff you get under 1000€ new.

Even a dual-core Haswell CPU is gonna be better than a Celeron. Plus you'll be able to upgrade storage and RAM.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"but it has the numbers '4000', must be better than Intel Core i3!"

[–] pewpew@feddit.it 1 points 4 hours ago

No, it's the gigaherts that sell it. Although they advertise the turbo frequency, not the base frequency, so it is not even that fast in reality because the turbo period is very short so that frequency number will not hold up for very long

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also got a nice Dell 7390 for a similar price a year ago. Though you really can't compare a laptop bought in 2019 with a laptop bought 6 years in the future. You'd need to compare it to a refurbished one available for a similar price in 2019 and then factor in how that turned out for you a few years later. I mean technology always progresses and you'll always get more a few years later. But yes, I've always been a fan of refurbished enterprise-grade laptops instead of the super-cheap consumer ones which include as much cost-cuttings as possible and a legacy CPU which is upmarketed because it's cheap. I think my old desktop Celeron N4500(?) was like 40€ when it was new, because it was leftovers in production. At that point you can always buy a used processor for the same price with double the processor cores.