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(Price is in € EUR)

For context, six months ago I bought a renewed Thinkpad X395 for exactly this price and I got: An actually decent CPU and not something as powerful as a Wii, 16 GB of RAM, 256 GB of actual M.2 SSD, a really nice 1080p Touchscreen, really nice build quality with metal and a nice backlit keyboard. Heck, even when I bought a cheap laptop in May 2020 it was much better than this and it even was brand new for the same price.

I know this CPU very well, for this price you are getting something that has trouble playing a Youtube video in 1080p at 60 FPS and can't even run the latest version of Minecraft at above 10 FPS. Now imagine this combined with Windows 11 and only 4 GB of RAM...

No, this is not because of the current hardware crysis, this is pure greed. But hey, 1 year of Microslop 365 is included!

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Ooh, a Celeron N4000. I will see you, and raise you this piece of shit we have at work:

My boss bought this as one of those Black Friday "deals" for about $99 USD. The sticker on the bottom doesn't seem to reveal its manufacturing date but I believe this model was released in 2018. Really, it's just a netbook in all but name.

We use this specifically to drive a walk-around barcode scanner in our warehouse and the software we have to use on it is Windows only. It's tiny and still somehow gets stellar battery life, and it's deliberately so cheap as to be disposable so when the day inevitably comes that it gets smashed, no one will care.

With Win10 IoT on it the thing actually runs tolerably for our intended use case, which is the aforementioned barcode bleeping and nothing else. And at least yours there has a 1080p display; this one is only 1366 x 768 so doing practically anything else on it is excruciating anyway. What amuses me the most about it is that with only 29 gigs of usable storage there literally isn't enough left over to run Windows updates. I have this thing as ruthlessly pared down as I can get without creating a custom Windows installation or something and for the big updates, you have to attach an external USB drive to it.

I can't fathom trying to run Windows 11 on it. Fuck all that noise.

[–] pewpew@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

The Celeron N4000 was also the CPU I had in my laptop that I bought in 2020. Everybody says it's a terrible CPU but it's actually not a bad choice for embedded applications or really low cost chromebooks, also considering that it has a TDP of just 6 watts! What I'm not okay with is OEMs putting it in consumer oriented laptops and getting away with these prices

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The license to run win 10 iot cost more than the laptop. I would love to get our IT to run win 10 iot but it's a pain to even get licenses and expensive to get them legitimately

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://massgrave.dev/

If you have to do it legitimately for corporate liability purposes then yes, actually buying licenses will not be cost effective. But activating the LTSC versions is otherwise trivially easy.

Yeah, I mean when I have to use windows personally, I use win 10 iot. However, at work, we can't risk that and we're broke so were still on win 10

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess as long as the laptop isn't connecting to anything else and you are transferring data via USB, there is no issue. The fact that it is using special software makes me think it is directly connected to your database, making that a loose cannon if there is any kind of compromise.

W10 IOT dropped support last year, so it will not receive security patches UNLESS you are using W10 IOT Enterprise LTSC. I doubt it because the license is twice the cost of the laptop. It's available from CDW, but I think there are stipulations.

Your boss would have been better off buying a used enterprise laptop from Amazon.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am explicitly using LTSC.

You don't need a license if you know about massgrave.dev. I'm only using this because our warehouse software requires Windows and the latter is already bought and paid for. Otherwise, Microsoft can bite me.

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 2 points 2 days ago

Personally, I would gladly activate friends and family using mass grave.

Professionally, while I have never seen an audit in decades, I would not bypass Microsoft activation in a professional setting. It's the company's hardware, and if they insist on using it they will need to pony up for a licence. I'm not liable for the device if I advise it is not able to be updated and they insist on using it. I will be liable if I use the activation script.