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Didn't know where to post this but man, I so get it.
Alright, I'm getting shitloads of reports all over these comments, mostly people whining to mommy when people disagree with them hoping I'll ban whoever it is they don't like.
It seems like all the old talking points have been said and everyone's positions are as entrenched as they're going to get. I'm locking this; give it a rest, you lot.
Americans are being killed in the street right now fighting back
Not sure what point is being made here
This is propaganda to further divide
Every single time someone online claims to be this or that identity from this or that country, they are doing it as a black man. You cannot trust claims online accounts make about their identity.
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It's working!
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Part of it, I think, is that a random person apologizing on behalf of an entire country is rather pointless. It doesn't benefit that other country at all (in a personal sense a genuine apology might provide reassurance that the apologizer doesn't intend to repeat some offense, but a person apologizing for an entire country, that they don't control, can make no such garuntee, same as apologizing on behalf of an unrepentant stranger would be pointless). The only thing it really does is make the person apologizing feel slightly better about what is going on.
rather pointless
If little actions like that didn't happen, the international stage would see us as a monolith all supporting Trump. Your only source of truth would be our media.
That would be horrible.
I get that sentiment, but consider: there are orders of magnitude more people in the US than Greenland. As such, if Americans go into communities for Greenland to demonstrate to them that we don't all support Trump in such a way, the result would be less a "little thing" and more the people actually using that community getting bombarded with Americans apologizing for the actions of other Americans in a space meant to be for Greenland. I'm not from there and so can't say for sure how that comes across, but I at least imagine that were I from Greenland, I'd probably find this far more annoying than reassuring.
Think about how you view other countries. For example, Russian opposition doesn't change what Russia does
We actually do make that distinction between the country and the people. Just like how people can support the Iranian protests but not the Iranian leadership. I agree with the general sentiment that the posts being addressed are stupid and pointless though.
We actually do make that distinction
Healthy people do, but too many do not.
"Americans should take responsibility!" But when an American takes responsibility and apologized even though that person probably voted for someone else and is doing what they can to fight back "well fuck you".
So you want some hard pills to swallow?
If you are mad at Trump, whether you're from the US or not, but bought things from Amazon, still using Twitter, still using Facebook, still buying from Nestle, still using Uber, still using Robin Hood, or any of the who knows what companies that have given Trump money, then you're compliant. Especially if you did that before the election. You helped fund this.
You think Americans should rise up in the streets? Actually get up and do something instead of apologize online? Well you know that people can do both, right? Maybe ask people how they are getting involved instead of assuming they aren't doing anything, and get, if they aren't, that might get them off of their lazy asses.
You think we should overthrow the government? Ok, where's your military? Seems like most of the world leaders are willing to take the knee and let that lunatic run rampant because they are scared of our overblown military that, frankly, most of us don't even want, so why aren't you fighting? If your fully trained, well equipped military can't handle the US, how do you expect a bunch of civilians to be able to? Where's your help if that's so easy? Sure our country is larger than most and about a third of a continent, but if it should be easy for us then it should be cake for you!
Most of us didn't vote for the guy, and he's the least popular president in history, even lower than the second least popular president, which was Jim at his last term. "Oh but a third didn't vote at all!" But you don't know why they didn't vote. Some might've been apathetic, but some might've been in our bullshit hospitals, and some might've been turned away at the polls, or maybe it's because we're working three jobs just to keep a roof over our head and enough shit food to keep from starving, who the fuck knows. Dude lost the popular vote both times but because we've got a fucked up voting system no one will change once they have won using it, he still won.
I'm not trying to be a dick here, and I know you all are frustrated because of this nut job. We are, too. The country has been taken over by oligarchs and now you care because he's threatening to invade places with white people.
But you can't tell people to have empathy and take responsibility then talk shit about them when they do. You can't have it both ways.
You can't say that it's shitty for people to paint with broad strokes and say an entire group of people is the exact same and demonize them, then do the same for an entire population of a country.
You can't say that it's entirely on Americans when you're still giving money to people backing him and aren't fighting him either.
So maybe instead of bitching about people who feel bad about something they didn't do apologizing, figure out what you might be doing that's contributing and stop it.
Boycott the USA.
still buying from Nestle
Hey, that's our shitty company! Should still be boycotted though.
Greetings from Switzerland.
They still donated millions to the current regime. That is exactly what they mean. Trump is a symptom of western neoliberal capitalism and we are ALL at fault. Where you spend your money matters and people have, in large part, actively ignored a lot of bullshit in the name of comfort. Nestle barely scratches the surface.
Also keeping in mind with the current state of the capitalist hellscape, avoiding companies that supported trump/GOP can be difficult to impossible for a good chunk of people. If the only grocery store that you're able to get to is Walmart, I am not going to criticize you eating.
Virtually every automaker doung business in North America has kissed trump's ass at some point in the last decade.
Nestle and Unilever are fucking everywhere and also have many subsidiaries that it can be difficult to figure out if they're involved in the product you're using.
Good luck using technology produced by a company that hasn't supported him or the republican party.
With how badly things are ratfucked, I will applaud any effort to reduce consumption from these companies, because it's at least a little better than actively supporting them.
I'm also still very tired of hearing people outside the USA telling us to start spilling each other's blood willy nilly.
Fucking keyboard warriors telling us "just start a civil war, why haven't you done it already" as if grabbing a gun and executing your neighbors is the easiest thing in the world.
I'd love to go my whole life without ever having to so much as slap someone. But the rest of lemmy seems convinced that "American == gun owner" and that we should have been cutting each other down in the streets since November 2024
These comments from people saying that every single American is an evil monster because of their government are displaying the exact same hatred and ignorance that allows fascism to thrive. Which explains why far-right politicians have been gaining power all over the world. Watch your backs, people from other countries looking down their noses at the US - you're next if you don't do something about your problems at home, like you're saying Americans should do. You haven't been doing a very good job so far.
I'm trans I barely get treated like a person and have my options severely limited. Don't give me that shit about how every American is responsible when we tried to tell people and got ridiculed and called slurs for it and got rape threats. Kiss my ass.
Another trans person here. Wasn't born here. Neither was my wife. I didn't ask to be brought to this country as a child. I'd love to be able to leave.
I have spent my entire adult life voting in every single election and working toward making this a more bearable place for myself and others. A minority of this country is happy with what is happening. A minority.
A larger portion of Americans are actively doing what they can to push back, but fascists have had decades to enshrine themselves into every foundation of this country. It's not a matter of protesting hard enough or voting hard enough. There is a lot of work to do and those of us who have been doing it the whole time still are.
This victim-blaming bullshit has got to stop.
Right there with you. Stay safe
A South African billionaire spent 300million to get Trump to win. An Australian media mogal has been using propaganda to brainwash Americans, and the world, for the last 30 years. All of this is being supported by a Russian dictator that has control over his puppet, not to mention his puppets in other countries.
Go on an tell me more about how this is only America fault.
Far right parties in Germany and France nearly took over their respective governments. America is just a bellwether of what is going to be commonplace in all developed liberal nations if we don't start sincerely addressing the wealth inequality.
Fascism is a natural development in liberal democracies when too much wealth is distributed to the upper class. The upper class uses their wealth as political capital to maintain the status quo that benefits them the most. To counteract leftist movements they support the far right, and before you know it there are paramilitary groups out in the streets.
This is going to happen in every country that promotes free market capitalism, starting with the countries with the least amount of social safety nets and most tax breaks for the ultra wealthy.
Yes, it is class war, and populism is the cudgel that beats democracy.
"think about how you view other countries, for example Russia"
Okay, I do not at all in any way think about the average Russian citizen the way people on this fucking site seem to think about the average American citizen. The idea that I would demand those innocent people essentially commit suicide through armed conflict is demented, yet there's no such qualms about Americans.
All that being said though, I have to agree, going to random communities and saying you're sorry is useless. It only serves to make you feel slightly better and does nothing to actually help the situation, akin to wishing thoughts and prayers.
Oh look, a post which has no informational content and who's only possible outcome is to create division amongst the civilian populations of two allied countries.
Oh look, it is posted by an account who has a perfectly normal comment history but a strange affinity for posting content which creates a comment section full of divisive conversations between:
I mean, cmon. Every country can become like this, no people are special. Hating people for not instantly becoming martyrs by committing terrorism in their own country is a bit dumb.
We have to nudge them a bit, fund resistances, saboteurs, maybe an outside intervention. Civilians are just civilians.
This is how we get countries cut off from the world, who become eternal reprobates, and we never have good relations with them again.
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y'all realize that all these posts do is echo divisional language, right?
like, it's literally saying "you're part of the problem because you live there". the same could be said about literally anything.
Denmark's ineptitude and unwillingness to fight Russia is the reason why they were allowed to invade Ukraine and they are responsible for the thousands of deaths of Ukrainians. Every citizen of Denmark has their hands stained in Ukrainian blood because of their inaction to force their government to intervene. it's your fault that Putin is brazen enough to invade sovereign nations and you only attempt to garner sympathy when the US tries to do the same to you in Greenland.
see? not even difficult to twist words around and divide us. it's all a mechanic to make us weaker, it's actually exactly what Trump is doing by pulling the US out of agreements and support systems. they want to make us all weaker by dividing us.
don't listen to users who use divisional language when it comes to world politics, it only serves to further the fascist agenda.
The entire thing is blaming the victim. As if people suffering under Trump are somehow complicit in their own suffering and they should just overthrow him violently.
It's typical armchair revolutionary nonsense, people who post this crap and want to blame everyone else, which is very easy to do in an online echochamber full of ignorant people who are just venting their angst.
Americans who didn't vote for Trump are about as powerless as non-Americans who also didn't vote for Trump. If you're expecting them to commit crimes, go to jail, and lose everything they care about, then why can't they expect people from other countries do the same thing? Or better yet, why don't you immigrate and help vote for change after you get your citizenship? Why don't you lobby your own leaders for tough sanctions? Vote people in who will stand up to Trump and his garbage brigade?
I didn't even ask to be born. I didn't ask to be born here. And I didn't ask for any of the stuff that's happening. So chill?
Americans are being killed and jailed daily for literally no reasons. OP doesn't realize that even pushing from within accomplishes nothing.
"Hey guys just so you know, showing empathy is stupid virtue signaling. Remember when you catch yourself blaming Russians for Putin's actions and realize it is wrong to do that? Actually you need to ignore that feeling -- it's justified. Blame all the Russians. Even though you feel utterly crushed and powerless right now, um, do something about it. Sure, that's a billion times easier to say than both do and succeed at, but that's your problem. Maybe try fucking yourself? I dunno just be better or something."
There are good people and bad people in every country. Yes, the US government is bad. Yes, the Russian government is bad. That does not mean every person in those countries are also bad.
There are people in Russia trying their best to resist Putin. People risk their lives doing that and people have died doing that.
There are also people here in the US doing their best to resist fascism. Here too, people have died doing that.
It is unreasonable to expect every American to oppose fascism, just like it is unreasonable to expect that of every Greenlander. Remember there is a small percentage of Greenlanders who do support Trump.
Opposing fascism is difficult, dangerous, and slow. It takes a long time for change to happen. Think about all the bad governments out there. I'm sure that for each one you can find resistance to them that has been around for a long time.
So if the situation was flipped, would you want us to make a post complaining about Greenlanders apologizing?
Meh, most of rest of the world are also supporting this regime by still trading with the US, using their services, investing in their companies, and buying their debt. None of what's happening would be possible without the world's support.
I’ll post here what I’ve posted elsewhere with addition comments sprinkled in.
This is what bothers me the most about folks, usually from an EU country, telling Americans we should just oust our shithead president through national strikes or violence and complain that we aren’t doing anything. The US is huge, what works in smaller European countries is vastly more difficult and expensive to organize and execute in the US. Those tactics do work here, but mostly at the local and state level which is akin to how they work in most EU countries when you adjust for population and size. At this level there is just not much an individual or relatively small group can do. Even if my entire city and the surrounding area rose up together (which it wouldn’t since it’s politically mixed) it would have little to no impact. A million or two people just isn’t that much in a nation as large and diverse as the US. The entirety of California or Texas couldn’t appreciably move the needle in all reality and they are massive, wealthy states.
The US General Strike movement estimates that we would need just 3.5% of the US adult population to strike to see any results, that is over 10.5 million people, and they have less than half a million signed up. To put that in perspective, that’s more than the entire population of Greece, Austria, or Sweden needed to make an impact, and even well resourced and organized they are barely moving the needle due mostly to the sheer size of the country. None of those countries can get their entire population to agree on something though, so it’s not really surprising the US hasn’t been able to get that many people to agree either.
In addition, the risks are enormous to everyday people when there isn’t an organization to back their movement. I still need to eat, put a roof over mine and my families head, and generally exist in this world. I applaud those that have the means, drive, or mindset to just take direct action but the vast majority do not. Going out half cocked, guns blazing though also doesn’t accomplish anything and just gives more media ammo to the current regime to oppress rights further. Until we can find our MLK to lead a movement against this oppression though, it’s unlikely that resistance will accomplish much visibly.
I think it would be a fantastic idea for Europeans, and the rest of the world, to start actually considering what a violent, imperialist US means to their normal day-to-day and how they can best prepare to defend against it. I, and all those I choose to surround myself with, hate what our government is doing. We voted against it, give money and time to causes against it and to try to reduce harm where we can and help those impacted by it. Many of us would leave if we had the means to, but the reality is that leaving has its own risks, is surprisingly difficult and expensive, doesn’t guarantee where we end up will ultimately be better, and removes our ability to do anything here. Like most of life, reality is complex and messy, I just wish everyone could keep that in mind when condemning all Americans for the actions our government is taking.
That all said, Americans are doing something, not enough, and not quickly, but protests are nearly constant in various parts of the country. Congress is rebuking nearly all of the big budget cuts Trump wanted, and more right leaning lawmakers are starting to stand up against the regime. Again, it’s not enough, but it isn’t silence like is often asserted here and elsewhere.
In short, I am not my country, and while I fully accept that the world hates the US right now (and they should), personally hating every individual American and blaming us as specifically responsible is ignorant and inflammatory. It doesn’t help and just serves to depress and discourage action by those of us who do not support the actions of our government and are trying to help in the ways that we can.
This is how some of you sound
But also not correct? I don't think everyone assumes all Russians are dicks. A proper assumption would be that most of them are cool but their government sucks dicks.
No usian thinks "I'm sorry" is enough. It's just a thing to let the world know we are not all crazy. Liberals are continually in shock that the orange child is doing what he said he would do. And some things no one thought he would do. Conservatives continue getting orange dust on their lips. It's going to be a long fall for the U.S. and I'm afraid this stupid ridiculous Greenland situation will not even be in news in a few months(no matter how it turns out) as things get even stupider and more rediculous. Many more deaths in the U.S. More democratic institutions destroyed. Laws subverted in response to the backlash.
This really sucks for you. It's going to suck for everyone.
Just hoping obese shithole has a heart attack asap.
I asbolutely do have some nuance for Russians. I am friends with many of them and realize they are powerless to topple the government because I'm not 14
This is such stupid projection...
"just think of how you view other countries". Yea, I AM thinking like that. I don't blame all Russians for Putin's war on Ukraine. I don't blame ALL Chinese for what the CCP does. I don't blame ALL North Koreans for suffering under Kim...
This is absolute insanity to accept the ignorant position as the correct position... The world is insane, because it's full of idiots like this that cannot think past the most basic reactionary BS.
If ya'll think you're better than the US, stop acting like reactionary fools.
Dear Muslims -- To us, your region in the middle east is a single entity on the world stage, and you've all attacked us on 9/11. Think about how you view other countries, as infidels. For example, Israeli opposition doesn't change what Israel does, because that's their politics. The same applies to all Muslims, except you have the power to choose whether or not Osama Bin Laden organizes terrorist attacks.
See how stupid this sounds? I'm not going to the Greenland subreddit and apologizing, but I am certainly not at fault for this shit.
I see all your posts. And I understand that the government does not speak for yourself. I have compassion for your situation, of course. But, truly, your "I am sorry" really is useless. Please don't go thinking that your "I am sorry" message is enough. That you are doing something. That message is akin to doing nothing. Hopefully, you are doing more than that.
And also, dear Americans, whatever it is you are doing, you could be doing more.