Minneapolis mayor: ‘I don’t support abolishing ICE’ : usa

[–] fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There he goes, being a Democrat.

[–] dx1@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

ICE get the GOSH DARN HECK out of our CITY! Two more cautions and then I'm giving you a warning!

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Pretty please!!!

[–] Chivera@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Won't someone think of the poor ICE agents. Their feelings are being hurt 😢

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then he can go on the people's enemies list. Either against ICE or for them, there is no in between.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Same goes for every elected official.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Aaaand he’s being investigated by the DOJ for being an enemy of the state anyway

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Owned lol

[–] Afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Good. If he was doing something worthwhile and useful he probably still would be investigated but then he would have an upswelling of support.

These half measures make him eligible for sacrifice. We need prominent important powerful people to get targeted so they realize that they're not safe any more than the rest of us are. We need them to have some skin in the game and if it means that a couple of these cowards get burned in the learning process then so be it.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Typical Democrat

[–] Akh@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Bold move cotton, let’s see how that works out for you

[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

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[–] Shim@beehaw.org 8 points 1 month ago

The Mayor, State leaders, and the police are doing nothing here to stop ICE. It is all community led networks of thousands of volunteers which are fighting back against ICE. Several progressive city council members are on the front lines as well. Frey is not and never has been an ally to the working people of Minneapolis.

[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Dipshit dumbfuck.

[+] dhork@lemmy.world -23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

I'm on his side here. The problem is not necessarily that we have immigration laws, or that there is an agency tasked with enforcing them. It's that this Administration has turned this particular agency into its own paramilitary wing, using immigration enforcement as an excuse to terrorize people who didn't vote for Trump.

The mayor is making the point that in prior administrations, ICE existed, and was not a problem for him. They did their job, without terrorizing the city. The problem isn't ICE existing, it's what ICE has turned into under Trump and that nasty Caillou-looking Stephen Miller.

[–] 14specks@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can enforce immigration and border controls without ICE. It was functioning just fine until 2003. In your attempt to find a "middle ground" position I dont think your landing pint is reasonable.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Changing the name from U.S. Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service to ICE isn't any different. It was the same government workers doing the same work before and after the department merge and name change.

[–] 14specks@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not true, the department ment was moved under the Department of Homeland Security. This reorganization has had a demonstrable effect in how it is led. There is nothing they do that can't be dealt with by other law enforcement. The DHS itself was a ridiculous ratcheting of the surveillance/police state "in response to 9-11" (that's the excuse that was dropped in their lap).

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This reorganization has had a demonstrable effect in how it is led.

The reorg meant LESS deportations. Significantly less if you factor Latin America population growth. It was only Trump that turned a regular bureaucracy into his Gestapo.

[–] 14specks@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure whether the quantity of deportations would have to do with the reorg, or if it has more to do with overall executive policy (or other factors).

Regardless I don't think there needs to be a dedicated police agency dedicated to the internal enforcement of immigration. Whatever enforcent does take place does not need to be conducted by a militarized agency (which, is my primary concern with being part of "DHS"). ICE is already have been shit for a long time, not to mention the 2018 calls for "abolish ICE" because of the "kids in cages" (which were built under the Obama admin) which was already the correct call.

They don't offer anything useful, even when they don't have Trump's trillion dollar funding package. Toss them and start over, it isn't even a big deal.

[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago

No, actually, I think it's bad to have people tasked with rounding up foreigners.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem is not necessarily that we have immigration laws, or that there is an agency tasked with enforcing them.

No it literally is the problem. 🏴🏴🏴 You're just noticing now because they're getting efficient and being more openly ruthless.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There is a gigantic difference between police getting a warrant, knocking on a door, and then bringing a person in for polite questioning versus masked goons breaking down doors and deporting without a trial.

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is a gigantic difference between police getting a warrant, knocking on a door, and then bringing a person in for polite questioning

Does this mean you will support these raids once Trump has totally cleansed the federal bench of liberals? Also, there's no such thing as "polite questioning" from police

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

How does that logic follow at all? I'm complaining about Trump's violent Gestapo and you claim that I'll soon support it more?

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Respectfully, the police is scary to a whole lot of us, there's no such thing as polite questioning, in the US the police has been terrorizing marginalized people since the very beginning and that hasn't changed, if you have a positive experience with the police that just means you're not the target of the policing.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Border enforcement for the past two centuries have basically just been an international apartheid agreement to control the movement of undesirables while ensuring the free flow of capital. Borders only really exist for the poor.

[–] catscape@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s that this Administration has turned this particular agency into its own paramilitary wing, using immigration enforcement as an excuse to terrorize people who didn’t vote for Trump.

"it was fine when they were committing an ethnic cleanse and forcefully sterilizing migrant women, but now they're going after white liberals and that makes me slightly uncomfortable, but not uncomfortable enough to get rid of them because i still want to terrorize minorities"

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Their idea of lesser evil is evil directed at [who they perceive to be] lesser people.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It may not be possible to reform and return ICE to a previous state though. New organizations may be required to serve the function of border protection, immigration and customs enforcement. Do you think ICE is reasonably capable of returning to their previous state or is abolishing ice and building new organizations necessarily at this point?

[–] 14specks@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

New organizations may be required to serve the function of border protection, immigration and customs enforcement

Or even existing border patrol and CBP (and we should look at reforms to those agencies as well)

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

This is a very ignorant take. ICE is less than 25 years old, and is inseparable from all the post-9/11 attacks on civil liberties.

The problem isn’t ICE existing, it’s what ICE has turned into under Trump and that nasty Caillou-looking Stephen Miller. This makes me want to fucking pull my hair out. Are you old enough to remember Bush? ICE was always headed in this fascist direction, including under the Obama and Biden regimes.

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