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Oh no, you cant be more wrong OP, what windows actually does is wait till you really need the PC for something. A presentation, your PhD defense, taking data in a flashdrive before leaving to catch a train.
Microsoft doesn't understand consent, not to mention user agency.
They probably do, they just see it as against their interest.
Jesus dude
Update and shutdown?
What about update and I let your pc on all night without your knowledge?
God I forgot about that. Windows makes me so mad.
Wait, there are people whose computers actually shutdown when Update and Shutdown is selected? I swear Iβve never had that happen since 2 or 3 years ago, and everything since has always restarted my devices.
Yeah, that was the same thing with me and my windows machines for years (i think I remember it working properly at one point though). I heard they recently fixed it though.Β
Nah.
Just returned to Debian after a few years away.
My previous distro would serve me warnings twice a day that updates were available.
But Debian?
"The machine is up and running. Now it's your duty to check for updates. And install the programs you may need. Set things up as you want it. If you want it."
I'm sure you could set up a cronjob to launch a script that checks for updates and sends some notification about it
I could, if I wanted to. Running a weekly check for updates is more than enough for me.
The head-to-head comparison between the update user experience is so incredibly lopsided against Windows, that it kind of seems silly.
I bet if both have a big yearly update, I could format and install an entire fresh copy of the linux distro before the windows machine would be usable.
Considering the fact that most home users would never ever update their PCs unless forced too and then complain about a virus they got. It kinda makes sense to force people to update.
The same applies in any professional environment. Not forcing updates to clients in a professional environment is very stupid and will land you in trouble sooner or later.
There is a difference between scheduled update for security patches which the user agrees to on initial setup (and can modify at any time) alongside optional feature updates that are entirely... optional, and shoving feature and security updates automatically on the user regardless if active programs are running, without consent, and not granting an easy opt-out solution.
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There's one more big difference between Windows and Linux: Windows can only install updates while shutting down, for some reason. On Linux I boot the machine, see the notification for updates, and run them in the background while I do my own things. If the updates need a reboot to take effect, it's a normal reboot that takes mere seconds.
On Windows, I get an update notification in the morning and either take 5 minutes to restart right then, or wait until I naturally shut down (end of the day) and have an abnormally long shutdown that (sometimes) leaves my laptop running and still not fully updated while it's in my bag. That isn't a security issue or a policy issue, it's a technical limitation that results in a terrible user experience.
Windows can only install updates while shutting down, for some reason.
That information is out-dated. Hotpatching was introduced in Windows 11 24H2
Doesn't Linux require Kernel updates quite often though? Pretty sure those require a reboot.
P.S While not relevant to home users, windows nowadays be fully patched without rebooting for 2 out of 3 updates. You do have to pay for it with extra licenses though. I assume Linux also can be hot patched in a similar way (but maybe for free?) but normally it's not.
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I can't get over how Linux updates seem to use so much more bandwidth, though. Several GB of updates every few days...
interesting, I only get to spend a some megabytes updating debian.
What distro is that?
Ubuntu mostly, EndeavourOS doesn't seem to have as much, but I don't update it as often either so it's not an easy comparison. Ubuntu seems to have new libraries or whatever every other day.
What the hell is being updated on your rig?
Just use Slackware then.
Idk man, I have to not update my arch for like a month to get ~10gb of updates.
With the latest windows 11 update they broke the shutdown feature
One can still shutdown, but it requires going into the spooky, scary terminal.
h o w
Some PM: "it's Patch Tuesday, we must push the monthly update or the users will revolt, push it at exactly 10:00!"
"But we didn't finish the tests!"
PM: "Push. It. Right. Now."
That's what it used to be. They managed to sort out their updates. Windows updates system is pretty good now. The issue is what's included in those updates, like all the AI bloat. But that's a different issue.
Forced updates are only an issue on corporate machines now, because it's your IT guy pushing them and setting deadlines to update.
Also, Linux updates can completely break your system. Not often, but it can happen.
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Yeaaahhhh, i'm a disagree with this one a little.
It goes like that until the update changes the kernel version and breaks a video driver. I mean, it's a lot rarer than it used to be, but our arcade box at work just got hit with it.
Windows usual fail mode (which is often) is update won't process so it wastes an hour of your time a bunch of times and either justs starts working or requires you to dig into it and either run it manually, or clear up some cache.
Windows not booting into a gui on an update is pretty rare.
Homie, if a kernel update breaks something you can just boot back into the older kernel from grub. It literally only takes the time to reboot the computer.
Until you roll back and shits broken now because the new kernel was a requirement on other shit that was in the update.
For my own shit, I'm running nixos, so when I roll back, every app that just got updated rolls back, perfect recovery, but that doesn't work for most.
As far as the pop-os that broke the other day, I'm more than capable of depsolving and fixing it, but it's not ideal.
I still can't get over the fact that there's just no way to prevent Windows 11 home edition from ever rebooting automatically.
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My (very barebones) linux desktop has no way to ask me, it's been removed.
Thatβs some Crowdstrike.
unattended-upgrades
Yes, but be sure to exclude certain services on servers and monitor the remaining pending upgrades.
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