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It's easier to disable all the garbage than remove the garbage?

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[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 130 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Remember, Windows will install updates without user intervention. If you remove things, it just puts them back.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 27 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Automatic updates are a good thing for the average EU, though. Otherwise they'd never update and their system would probably be compromised.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 55 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

yeah but they're not doing just security updates, they're re-installing bloatware that I deleted a year ago

I don't need Xbox gaming on my work computer

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[–] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 28 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Automatic, yes.

Forced without consent with no option to disable them? No.

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[–] marighost@piefed.social 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I like automatic updates when I explicitly turn them on myself. I do NOT like automatic updates when they happen during work hours, force me to close programs and/or restart my PC, and reinstall things that I explicitly removed from my PC.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 75 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] communism@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the point of the reddit screenshot is to show what Windows users are putting up with, not to share the meme itself.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

As you wish...and kept OP's username.

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago

Re-reddited

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Many people have a sort of learned helplessness. They don't really know computer fundamentals, they get scared and stressed so they stop thinking, and then they don't want to deal with it.

People aren't rational. They're emotional.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There's actually a research that sometimes it's just not in their brain capacity to be more technically savvy.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S107158192400137X

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

In my 20's I had this worldview that anyone that wasn't technically competent simply didn't have the time or desire to be so. I figured anyone could learn. In my 30's, in addition to my sysadmin work, I did some level2 helpdesk. OMG I was so wrong.

When they say 50% of the US reads below a 6th grade level, it's not just reading.

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[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This take might make you feel a sense of superiority, but it's a braindead take. It's not "learned helplessness", it's simple convenience.

It's convenient for the average user to not have to know computer fundamentals. It's also convenient for users of any tech proficiency to be able to assume that the vast majority of programs will run on their OS with no fiddling required.

To the overwhelming majority of users, their PC is a tool to run programs. Convenience is king in that use-case, because any amount of time fiddling with the tool or any number of situations in which the tool doesn't work outweighs the benefits in any other metric for the average person.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I dunno, a lot of the people in my life that aren't tech savvy are inconvenienced. The ads pop up and block stuff. But they don't know how to do anything about it.

I guess it's easier to just do nothing and suffer than learn what adblock is. It's easier to use the shitty defaults.

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[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 35 points 3 weeks ago

What's that word Satya Nadella wanted spread far and wide? Oh right, "Microslop"

[–] artyom@piefed.social 35 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Because Linux is still an enormous hurdle for a lot of people, and completely incompatible with lots of proprietary hardware people actually need.

Stop pretending like you don't understand why 98% of PC users still choose Windows. I'm not one of them, but let's not delude ourselves, it is tiring.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

98% of Windows users, use windows because that’s what the OS that came with the computer they could afford.

98% of windows users probably don’t know what version they are on or even what windows is

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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (30 children)

Are 98% of PC users using proprietary hardware incompatible with Linux? That would be pretty crazy, considering that that list of hardware is miniscule.

Like, I get where you're coming from, Linux isn't a 100% perfect drop in replacement for Windows that covers every single scenario and edge case. But it's never going to be that, and I don't think it needs to be that. It's still good enough to recommend over Windows. That hurdle won't get any shorter if people don't at least try using it.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How is this Linux related?

[–] Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 98 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

IDK friend after 20 years I kinda wish I had the ignorance of the average Windows user. I don't want to troubleshoot for 3 days, I wanna call a random IT helpline and let them deal with it, but alas, I unfortunately know what I'm doing.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't know one could call a random IT helpline and get stuff fixed on Windows.
My experience was, either find a workaround or a paid software that did the thing, or live with the bug.

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

But my free security suite that found 358+ viruses and says I'm missing 200 DLLs said to call 1-800-NO-VIRUS and their technician will fix it over the internet!

You can't, that's not immediately obvious when the computer is telling you otherwise

Ed: spelling, also this is a pretty obvious joke... I'm not sure why I have to explain this.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

For those who want to stick with Windows, Notepad++ is far superior anyway.

Oddly enough, Notepad++ doesn't really have a full featured native Linux alternative (as of my last deep search around June 2025).

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I use Kate pretty much the same way I used Notepad++, except I think I like Kate better since it clicks with my brain. It also probably(?) has more features.

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[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

Notepad++ sits at an odd place. It's heavier than Vim or Emacs. It's not as feature-rich as some IDEs. That's why it failed in Linux where alternatives are many.

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[–] MadBigote@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Lol, just today i noticed Copilot was on notepad, and rushed to disable that thing. Fuck Microsoft

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Gmail has started injecting a fat "Suggestions for responding to emails" feature into my composition space. Really fucking annoying when you're trying to type something out on a phone. No idea how to begin disabling it, I couldn't find configurations anywhere in the settings.

I've had this email address for over 20 years. Not looking forward to changing it. But enshitification won't stop.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 16 points 3 weeks ago

Thunderbird is ready to welcome you back. It never left. Email belongs in a dedicated apllication, not a web frontend

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[–] ulterno@programming.dev 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So I recently gave an interview to which, the last question of the product manager cum tech-lead was about how I use AI.
He then specifically asked if I used CoPilot and my negative immediately made him start sighing all over the place.
There seems to be some kind of a push coming from somewhere for these things.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because a CEO hears MS or googles release statements and assumes that good stuff and tells next level down to implement a plan. They are mandated to do something and so start grasping for junk. And force it on lower levels.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Anywhere they can record user input is considered fair game. They give not a smidge of care about user privacy at all

[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I believe that they are just not aware that an alternative exists: because they believe Windows 11 is the only OS available besides macOS, they put up with this shit and will try every single hack to tone down the enshitification, until they snap and move away from Windows.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

That's pretty much how cults work. If they even heard about Linux, it's something with no games, no "productivity", no drivers, maybe even CLI-only hacker stuff.

[–] Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There is Windows 10, with the right approach (grey market keys) you continue to get security updates and Win10 will IMO be supported for a very long time (because so many people are going to keep using it). MS will be forced to provide out of band security updates.

[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You are assuming that Windows has not already upgraded silently (or through anti-patterns in the UI) to 11, and what you are proposing is yet another hoop users have to jump through just to keep a "decent" experience.

I believe now is the perfect time to evangelize for Linux: "Are you tired of Windows's enshitification? Do you own computers that Microsoft deemed to be obsolete just for the sake of selling new licenses? Give Linux a try."

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[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I use Copilot at work, it sucks. Any time I ask it to do anything it either can't do what I'm asking or it does it wrong. On top of that you have middle management who suggests using AI as the solution to everything but offers no further input on how to actually accomplish that goal.

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[–] warm@kbin.earth 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wait until they rename Windows to CoPilot!

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[–] ideonek@piefed.social 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Notepad was the only thing I liked about windows 11.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Getting maybe 20% of the features of Notepad++ standard was nice out of the box. For a fleeting moment, I almost kept it as my default.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Kate is a thousand times better than Notepad and Notepad++

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[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It IS going to happen, if you keep using big tech operating systems and services, because THEY want it to happen and will not stop pushing until it DOES happen.

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