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[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 69 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I still wouldn’t eat one even after proper storage and thorough cooking

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 3 months ago

You need a sushi chef that's been specially trained on how to prepare them.

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 3 points 3 months ago

Fine, more for me

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 3 months ago

You've never slept in the same bed with me after bean casserole Thursdays.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"64.6% of men are at least slightly toxic. Conclusion: most men are not toxic"

What the heck?

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Only 10.8 percent of men included in the study showed clear signs of toxic masculinity.

89.2 is still larger than 50, right?

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

And it includes people who are slightly to moderately toxic, which is why my sentence said "at least slightly toxic"

That's my exact point that you somehow missed, the article concludes that most men are not toxic while saying that only ~30% are not toxic.

What they actually concluded is "89.2% of men are not extremely toxic" but that's not what the article implied

[–] Damage@feddit.it 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do you exclusively associate with people of perfect integrity, devoid of flaws?

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The largest group was called “Atoxics” (35.4 percent).

Study Shows That Most Men Are Not Toxic

Two weird sentences to be in the same conclusions.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

It’s hilarious the contortions people are going through to interpret this result in a positive light.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 14 points 3 months ago

Correct. 64.6% did not fit into the "Without" toxic group.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think the issue is the percentage. It's the biggest group, but most people think that "most" means over 50%.

[–] karashta@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This. I'm seeing a lot of people in the comments who don't understand the concept of plurality as opposed to majority.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It is weird though:

The second and third largest groups (27.2 percent and 26.6 percent of volunteers) both showed low to moderate values across the eight indicators of toxic masculinity.

So the majority does have some toxicity.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

But that’s not how “toxic”ism works. Like you’re not a toxic person if you do some toxic things some of the time. You’re a toxic person if you do it all the time or the majority of the time. Everyone says sexuality is a scale, that doesn’t mean you’re straight if you’re not 100% gay. There are some parts of you that do one thing, but you’re to other side of the scale.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

I did not state most are toxic. Here:

So the majority does have some toxicity.

I've highlighted the word that is doing the heavy lifting here.

The article focused on "atoxic", whithout the very reasonable distinction you are making: atoxic and low toxicity (and perhaps moderate toxicity? Debatable) can both be considered not toxic in general. Which does mean > 50%. But this is implied, not explicitly stated.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

No men have to be perfect paragons of virtue or they are toxic pigs. The study is wrong reeeeew. /s

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago

I mean, sure, but they've split up the toxic portion into several groups, and kept non-toxic as one group. So a modal view of this means nothing

[–] zout@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago

The second and third largest groups (27.2 percent and 26.6 percent of volunteers) both showed low to moderate values across the eight indicators of toxic masculinity

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A thorough enough paper but... An almost wilful misinterpretation of their own data?

There's the obvious thing, only ~35% of the sample was defined by the researchers as not toxic.

Even if we are benevolent and say that the portion who are lgbt-tolerant and moderately toxic aren't... Toxic... Then that leaves ~40% of the sample falling under toxic masculinity. Which would agree with their headline but is still like. Staggering? Forty Percent? When we are reasonably generous with the definitions in favour of not classifying as toxic, we still get 40? Thats pretty much every other man you meet!

Even if we do take their findings as they present them, that "only" 11% of men are toxic - that's 1 in 10? 1 in 10 men being irrefutably "toxic masculinity" examples is a lot still, man! Think about how many men one must interact with to engage in daily life, and 11% of those are irrefutably "toxic men"? And the proposed conclusion is "uh, actually the issue is overblown"

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We have only had the concept for, depending on when you start the clock, either the 80s or the 00s. It'd be interesting to have a longitudinal study to track how society is shaping up over time.

Side-eyes at the methodology here though. Some odd choices on display. "Anti-LGBT moderate"? I think you're spot on about the motivated choices.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah... I was going to write about how weird it was re: LGBTQ+ but I didn't have the energy

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

A new study in more than 15,000 mean investigated eight marker

That oof in the second paragraph doesn't inspire confidence in the article

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you wanted to test the toxicity of genders, shouldn't you have a "control group" of women?

[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

You do not need a control group to determine what % of a population satisfies a given criterion.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm toxic AF, but only to myself.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 months ago

So we can go back to eating them?