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[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

You posted a discussion to the Ukraine community about an article from a right-wing newspaper making a spurious claim that Ukrainians are doing Nazi salutes, and you're surprised you were banned? The same newspaper that was agreed to publish pro-Nazi content during the war.

Your question assumed the article was telling the truth. In reality, it's propaganda, and you were spreading it as fact. There are two possibilities for why you did this, and neither are flattering.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m tired of playing the “just a useful idiot or sealion” game

[–] unfreeradical@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Fortunately, there usually seems to be a surplus of useless idiots.

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[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I assume the title is correct, but could you link to the original De Telegraaf article? Thanks.

Anyway, fascism is never ok, but Ukraine having a huge nazi problem is Russian propaganda. IRC fascists gained 2% in the last election. Azov has neo-nazi roots, that's not ok, but has in large part been denazified. Many of the original members are dead.

The far right in Ukraine is far smaller than in neighbouring countries, including Russia. For example, here's a few pictures of a Russian nationalist march:

Meanwhile Russia has been supporting the far-right across Europe and in the US. For example:

But this isn't just real-politik or pragmatism. For example, Putin had Ivan Ilyin reburied in Russia. He has often quoted him and admires him. Ivan Ilyin was a self-avowed fascist, openly admired Mussolini and Hitler, and a virulent anti-communist. Russia is run by an elite who to be generous deeply admire fascism, co-operate with fascists, and who in all likelihood are fascists.

Another example, Dmitry Utkin, the co-founder of the Wagner group. Note the tattoos.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ukraine having a huge nazi problem is Russian propaganda

For the first like 2 fucking years of the war the west literally could not publish a pic of Ukrainian soldiers without fascist iconography but go off you fucking nerd

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

This shit still going on, I remember an article from like two weeks ago with some Nazi fuck being praised by the West

[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The low number of openly fascist parliamentarians in Ukraine is often explained by the crypto-fascist stances of other political parties: glorification of past fascists, racism, ultranationalism, xenophobia...

And yes, Russia has a fascist problem, like most other European countries, and, as in Ukraine, the limited presence of fascists in parliament can be explained in the same way.

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

The low number of openly fascist parliamentarians in Ukraine is often explained by the crypto-fascist stances of other political parties: glorification of past fascists, racism, ultranationalism, xenophobia…

And Lavrov says Zelensky is a pure Nazi, despite the former being a Jew. Should we believe him?

Or should we take Russian narratives about Ukraine being full of Nazis with a pinch of salt?

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago

There were plenty of Jewish Nazis collaborators, just as there were Black people that helped slave owners, colonized subjects who worked for their colonizers, women who work for misogynists. Zelensky knows if he doesn't work with the Nazis they will kill him and he likes his head on his shoulders.

[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not (only) a Russian narrative, is a narrative shared by a lot of journalists specialized in fascism.

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That depends on which journalists you follow.

[–] Emopunker@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Arent there multiple people in Zelensky's cabinet who are Jewish?

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

Including Zelensky, yes.

[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

For example, here’s a few pictures of a Russian nationalist march:

Not discussing all other points of the comment, but quick Google search is enough to find out that these photos were taken on November 4, 2013. To better understand their significance as an argument, it's worth adding that Viktor Yanukovych was the president of Ukraine on that day.

[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Article

I would argue that everything and everyone is doing propaganda, is it not more interesting to know where it comes from and why it says that rather then discard the whole thing?

And I agree that everywhere there is a rise in fascism (that’s why we should talk about it!) but where I don’t agree is supporting a country with explicit nazi symbology inside the military, especially if we want to regard them as “heroes” in the future. Supporting war is serious thing.

This topic should be very important to ukrainians too no?

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The article you paints a much more nuanced picture:

De commandant die hem ontving, verzekerde hem dat dat allemaal verleden tijd was. ’Dit is niet het Azov van vroeger’, werd hem verteld. ’Azov is hervormd, gezuiverd, en opnieuw opgebouwd.’

Translation: the commander who welcomes him(Hendrik) says Azov is not what it used to be, has been reformed, purified, and rebuilt. He mentions seeing nazi symbols in an office though.

Een paar andere buitenlandse jongens waren ook weg, ze hadden teams gezien waar elke morgen de nazigroet werd gebracht.”

Translation: other foreign soldiers also wanted to leave, some had even seen teams where everyone did the Nazi salute in the morning. Ie. he didn't actually see the Nazi salutes himself. which indicates is indeed less common than the title and you suggest.

„We willen voorkomen dat de oorlog doorslaat naar Europa. Als we daar stoppen, dan verslechteren onze eigen kansen.”

Closing words from soldier in question: we want to prevent the war spreading to Europe. Als we stop supporting Ukraine, our own chances worsen."

This topic should be very important to ukrainians too no?

Why is Russia being a fascist state not an important topic for you?

Why would we not want to stop a fascist state in Ukraine, before it continues into Europe, and continues to fund the far right globally?

Why are you parrotting Russian propaganda about Ukraine which suggests Ukraine has a larger fascist problem than it does?

These are rhetorical questions. No need to answer.

[–] Rose@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

The OP frequents tankie communities where the likes of Stalin, Assad, and sometimes Putin are praised all the time. Whether deliberately or not, they fail to grasp the most basic concept of fascism or the adjacent totalitarianism, where the part "total" is crucial in understanding that it's all about power before ideology. Someone like Putin may not raise his hand in the Hitler salute, but his track record of killings, human rights abuses and warmongering makes the occasional Nazi sympathizers in the Ukrainian army look like child's play in comparison.

As you note earlier, far-right ideas are unpopular in Ukraine, and funnily enough, the same far-right groups and individuals, demonized by Russia and tankies who often cite the likes of Sputnik, actually have a solid track record of supporting pro-democracy causes like Euromaidan, if not defending Ukraine from Russian imperialism. On the latter, the regular people in Ukraine don't care about the tattoos, patches, daily rituals or even the political ideas of someone who's there to help them evacuate after long weeks of being shelled by Russia and living with no heat, electricity, or running water. Heroism is defined by actions, not by ideas.

Edit: Grammar

[–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Heroism is defined by actions, not ideals." -You

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Also before 2022:

If I posted 100 pictures from Kiev Pride, would this mean everyone in Ukraine is gay?

If I told you my grandma was 100 and smoked 2 packs a day, you wouldn't believe smoking is healthy. If I posted 20 pictures of old grannies smoking, you still wouldn't believe it.

There being an existing fascist problem in Ukraine before the war, doesn't mean it's a disproprtionate problem now. In fact, polling in the last Ukrainian election suggests it isn't anywhere as large a problem as Russia propagandists would have you believe.

[–] Lowleekun@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fucking Tel Aviv has a pride parade so that is really saying little about a country being full of fascists or not...

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Here's Smotrich, the elected Israeli Finance minister:

In 2006, Smotrich helped organize a "beast parade", where participants led goats and donkeys through the streets, in opposition to the Jerusalem gay pride parade ... In July 2015, after a fatal stabbing attack on the Jerusalem gay pride parade, he referred to the march as an "abomination" and a "beast parade". ...In a leaked recording of a private conversation published in January 2023 by Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation, he said: "I won't stone gays [to death], and you won't force me to eat shrimp", and, in an apparent sarcastic remark, said: "I may be a far-right person, a homophobe, racist, fascist, but my word is my bond". He has stated that gay pride parades are "worse than bestiality".

Israel engages in pink washing, but the fact Smotrich is a minister says a lot, even if they haven't banned pride (yet.)

Meanwhile in Ukraine:

... a June 2024 survey by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology when asked if LGBTQ people should have the same civil liberties and constitutional rights as all Ukrainians 70% of respondents said "yes. ... On 8 June 2014, ten armed people attacked the gay club Babylon in the city of Donetsk. They fired blank cartridges into the air for intimidation and declared that there should not be gay clubs in the city ... In 2015, the Deputy Minister for Political Affairs of the Donetsk People's Republic stated: "A culture of homosexuality is spreading… This is why we must kill anyone who is involved in this." ... In July 2015, the head of the Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Zakharchenko, said he respected Ukraine's far-right party Right Sector "when they beat up the gays in Kyiv

The leader of Russian occupied Donetsk complimenting Ukrainian fascists, who received roughly 2% of the vote in the last elections. Ukrainian fascists are apparently more popular in Russian occupied Ukraine than in free Ukraine.

Meanwhile in Russia proper, the Pride march has been banned for years, people are regularly arrested for being gay, websites which stream movies like Brokeback Mountain are banned, the “international LGBT movement” whatever that is was labeled as a banned extremist organization, the police regularly raid gay bars, gay people are regularly murdered, and the country has become one of if not the most dangerous country to be gay in Europe. But apparently that's not a country full of fascists.

But hey, maybe Ukraine is overrun with gay jewish Nazis.

[–] Lowleekun@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

I am happy we agree on Israel pink washing. I also agree on Russia using "Nazis" as war propaganda.

The sad truth is neither the West nor Russia will let Ukraine be independent or neutral. They will take as much as they can, for whatever price they can afford.

I wish nations would cease to exist but in the meantime I would be happy enough if we could get the bastards that have created this mess vaguely points at everything to the guillotine.

[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

HexBear and ML are really not a great space for LGBT people with how they advocate for Russia so fiercely.

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[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I would describe it as “very concerning” rather than “nuanced”.

And I do believe the problem is bigger than many people are willing to admit. It’s worth discussing properly to me.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Here’s the US justification for the No vote.

Chair, today the United States expresses opposition to this resolution, a document most notable for its thinly veiled attempts to legitimize longstanding Russian disinformation narratives smearing neighboring nations under the cynical guise of halting Nazi glorification.

If Russia actually cared about fighting Nazi ideology then Aleksandr Dugin’s ideas wouldn’t be so popular in the Kremlin.

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[–] Emopunker@feddit.org 20 points 3 weeks ago

You cross posted an anti-Ukraine propaganda piece from lemmygrad into a pro-Ukraine group. Of course you are going to get banned. It is pretty disingenuous of you to act like it's not your fault.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It may be heavy handed. But it is understandable. Ukraine has bigger fash to fry. And specific actors defend the bigger fash by constantly bringing up Azov. Should Ukraine reject the aid of our fascist government, and azov's manpower. Just letting the Russian fascists roll over them? How is this a currently useful discussion?

[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

Didn't you know, critical support can only go towards Russia. They can tolerate homophobia, genocide, and nazism but draw the line at Ukrainians right to exist.

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[–] unfreeradical@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

Many of the comments are trying to appraise whether Ukraine authentically has something akin to a "Nazi problem".

The most basic observations are that Ukraine has Nazis and that all Nazis are a problem. The same is true of other nations.

Every source either will seek to exaggerate or to minimize the severity and relevance of the problem. Simply, even by someone of greatest possible moral purity, there is no objective or neutral means to appraise the matter.

A pro-Ukraine community naturally will take every measure to repel content appearing to vindicate Russian nationalism.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What is the original source?

[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's difficult to discuss PTB here, because after a quick glance at the community in question, you'll easily find that it's not a place for discussing Ukrainian affairs, but simply a propaganda cesspool dedicated to parroting certain talking points. Therefore, I have no idea why you expected a different outcome.

On the other hand, it's quite interesting to note that, while it's obvious to everyone that you don't need to have any sympathy for Maduro to condemn Trump's actions, any opposition to Putin's actions is magically inseparable from efforts to whitewash nazi crap.

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To start a morning i personally do no less then 30 nazi salutes while wermacht classics play on tv.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

lmao, pls put /s tag, because some nazis actually are that crazy

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Tankie scumbag. Either willing or unwilling, but you did their work.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i thought all the nazis moved to the u.s. ... arent they running the country now??

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The US is the spiritual home of Nazism. The centuries-long attempts to exterminate the Native Americans, slavery, and US isolationism & exceptionalism inspired Hitler. Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh were very useful as well in creating lots of pro-Nazi sentiment.

[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

Everything the US learnt, they learnt from the English.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Europe: creates the transatlantic slave trade, plantation system, European exceptionalism (white man’s burden), gets the ball rolling on the Native American genocide, and invents fascism (Mussolini).

How could the US do this!?!?

Trying to extricate the US’ culpability would be irresponsible, but I feel like your comment is shifting blame away from the fact that it’s one big twisted knot, and Europe is also twisted up in it.

As the kids say, I learned it from you, dad!

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