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[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

The original food pyramid was designed when starvation was a major concern, and so makes sense in that context.

The "my plate" was a fair adjustment that refocused on quality of food in a world of plenty.

I have no idea what a "upside down pyramid" is supposed to be.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The food plate can still suck my theoretical dick. It includes an entire portion for something 70% of the world can't digest.

[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] deacon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Climate Town is the fucking best. Hilarious and informative as fuck.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

It wasn't designed for the entire world? What % of Americans can process dairy? 95+%?

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

The original food pyramid was designed when ~~starvation was a major concern~~ wheat was massively subsidized.

FTFY

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The food pyramid was adopted in the US in 1992.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I remember being taught about a food pyramid in a US health class at least a decade before.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe your school had a time machine that took forward ten years to when it was adopted?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_USDA_nutrition_guidelines

Or maybe you were in a Swedish immersion school that taught the original Swedish version?

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago

It must have been the basic food groups then, and at some point my memory of it merged with the food pyramid once it hit the US.

Bullshit. Before the food pyramid was the 4 food groups. I was in us public school before 1992 as well.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

The goal is to continue the ideological push towards overconsumption of animal products.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I have no idea what a “upside down pyramid” is supposed to be.

Basically, eat shit peasants. After swimming in it.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The site’s echoes language echoes that of Kennedy’s rhetoric, saying the update ends “the war on protein.”

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LOL, talking about a "war on protein" as if that's a thing is like idiot cons talking about a "war on xmas". 🤣

If anything, marketing and the culture is pushing wayyyyy too much protein at every turn.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well too bad, because it's a thing now and you'll start seeing it parroted with the new talking points any day now

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

You are probably right, since the qons have been acting like a "war on xmas" is really just accepted by all normal human adults as being a real thing, even when people laugh right in their face when they claim it. I'll be interested to see how they can push it even harder - I've been a vegetarian for quite some time and the conversations I've had/been subjected to with omnivores and gym bros over rather basic nutrition things, most especially protein, has always been....wild.

But now every single menu seems to list things like "pick your protein", making the situation even stupider. I thought that was already peak stupidity, but now things like Doritos are advertising their protein content. I mean....I just can't even.

Even Lewis Black ended up skewering this level of dumb. Veg-ns have been snickering about this idiocy for years, believe me, but AFAIK, Black is not a veg-n.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFJx0zFxNAk

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I actually prefer the pick your protein thing as a pescatarian, because it usually implies that there's a meatless option like tofu, fake meat, or beans rather than just getting a "no meat" version that really wants for an umami core to it

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[–] rhymeswithduck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why are you censoring the word vegan?

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

You'll typically see this used with an asterisk (acting as a wildcard) to combine both vegetarians and vegans. But a star will act as markup to add italics.

[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

This is from realfood.gov, which the article links to.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

This is a fucking mess. So meat and dairy should be consumed in equal amounts as fruits and veggies? What's in that bowl in the middle? Kidney beans and cottage cheese? What's the fat/protein ratio of the ground beef? You want me to eat the entire chicken? Canned green beans??? Canned tuna??? I guarantee they didn't but they really should beta test this stuff with normal people to see if they actually understand it.

I agree that protein should be a primary factor in someone's diet but it's completely ignoring nutrient makeup in favor of just saying "eat meat".

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago

Just s big chunk of butter in the middle. The most important food group of them all.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I was expecting a dose of heroin with a large helping of brain worms on top.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

What a crappy design. I don't understand how they want me to make sense of it

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean it seems sensible. Eat more veggies and fewer grains. The infographic isn't as informative as the old pyramid, but broken clocks and what not, he's right that the old one was more informed by lobbyists.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

They stopped using the pyramid a longtime ago, but yeah this one isn't bad:

As a pile of (mostly) healthy food it's fine. But as an infographic it completely sucks.

EDIT: It's interesting they would have frozen peas at the top (mostly empty starch) but whole grains at the bottom (assuming the bottom means "sparingly"). Also red meat and butter should not be a large part of anyone's daily calories.

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not defending the pyramid overall, only commenting on the peas.

Peas have a decent amount of protein (not high protein, but decent) and a good amount of fiber. They are generally pretty good and probably a better choice than things people might eat instead. They are basically beans after all. They are certainly not empty starch and are pretty easy to add to many dishes.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I was taught they are starchy but that was grade school days and I won't die on this hill. I certainly didn't mean to imply peas were unhealthy. What I found odd is that they are on opposite ends of the pyramid from "whole grains" which is a carb I would personally say is on about the same level as peas overall.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah it seems to overvalue dairy and red meat for what I believe is a healthy diet, but I'm also an unhealthy layman, not a nutritionist.

Some guidance on portions or quantities seems useful and totally absent here, but "eat more fruits and veggies" seems like good advice.

I'd put eggs and fish above steak and cheese, but, yeah, as another poster replied, I'm not being paid by any cattle lobbyists.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, the whole dairy thing when it comes to propaganda is just...wild. Same goes for red meat.

I really wish we could completely erase money's influence on things like government nutritional information and THEN do a proper reassessment of dairy and meat in general.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I really hope there is more information to it. Imagine trying to downsize a department to 60,000 workers asking 1 person to do this, giving them a year and coming back and them just handing you this picture. 2000 hours of labor, I think I'd be flabbergasted

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 2 weeks ago

It really is just kind of a vibe, isn't it.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Also red meat and butter should not be a large part of anyone's daily calories.

Won't anyone think of the beef and dairy industry lobbyists, though?

[–] Dagrothus@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It looks like healthy fats are together in a 'category' with olive oil > avocado > butter > nuts. I would swap butter and nuts but it kinda makes a bit of sense, just is very unclear especially to a layperson. The oil needs to be specifically labeled 'olive', the yogurt needs to be Greek unsweetened bc 99% of yogurts add a shitload of sugar, and red meat should be way further down

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's actually leftover bear from Central Park. Rfk has been looking for any place to dump it

[–] jacecomix@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

Thank god healthy eating was a messaging problem and not an access/affordability problem. The country is all but saved! /s

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Sorry, I only take nutritional advice from Doctor Marilyn Manson

Food Pyramid

(Apologies for the weird vid site link, I couldn't find a good version in the usual places)

[–] HocEnimVeni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Didn't South Park do this years ago?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Its funny when its comedy but someone really needs to kill the parasite and save the worm.

[–] kcuf2@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Does this mean we're in the upside down now? Sure feels like it

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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Upside pyramid.

Carbs->Fruits and veggies->Protein and fats->Whatever Crack RFK Jr. Is smoking.

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