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I recently asked a simple question in a Gamergate-adjacent space:

"Would you support a pragmatic alliance with sex-positive / liberal feminists against sex-negative / radical feminists?"

I wasn’t asking for ideological agreement — just whether temporary, issue-based alignment was possible.

After dozens of responses, the answer became very clear that They are not open to an alliance, pragmatic or otherwise. Not with sex-positive feminists. Not with liberal feminists. Not with anyone who still accepts the label “feminist.”

Many responses explicitly said any form of feminism is unacceptable, regardless of policy or overlap. Internal distinctions (sex-positive vs sex-negative, liberal vs radical) were rejected outright.

Multiple commenters stated that even if feminists agreed with them on a specific issue, alignment was still impossible. Identity mattered more than outcomes.

Several replies framed alliances as inherently manipulative (“you’d just make us pawns,” “any inch given will be used against us”). Compromise was treated as surrender, not strategy.

Most arguments centered on media aesthetics, DEI, HR departments, and branding

A few commenters acknowledged that different feminist factions exist — but immediately collapsed that distinction again by assuming hostile intent (“they all exploit men,” “it’s all the same underneath”).

TL:DR- this "Expirment" was fruitless

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[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 58 points 4 days ago

“I asked the most reactionary and miserable people in the world if they would stop being shit for just a moment, their answer will shock you”

[–] replaceable@hexbear.net 47 points 4 days ago

Gamer-gaters are not in any way sex positive, they are objectification of women positive, there is no overlap between them and sex positive feminists, they are ultimately right that such an alliance is impossible

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 39 points 4 days ago

It would be like asking the KKK to support the Black Panthers in protesting gun control in California. It goes against their whole ideology fueling their organizing praxis. No tactical advantage can sway them.

Remember that Gamergaters only relate to each other by their Gamergate identity. It's the basis of why they relate to one another. To cede ground to feminists (however they see that) is literally a deconstruction of that identity, and through that deconstruction an erosion of their group cohesion. Who are they in that space if they aren't Gamergaters? Why associate with one another if they aren't Gamergaters? The reflexive extremism is itself a signal of their adhesion of group identity despite the (apparent) tactical advantage.

[–] piccolo@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago (3 children)

squints Was this written by an LLM?

[–] Des@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

stalin-stressed this shit is like a virus that has infected language itself

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

Pontypool was real but it’s just the dead internet theory

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

LLM data sets include reddit. Anyone debate brained is likely to sound like an LLM I think.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Parts of it definitely were. Probably most. But there are some human mistakes too.

I wasn’t asking for ideological agreement — just whether temporary, issue-based alignment was possible.

A few commenters acknowledged that different feminist factions exist — but immediately collapsed that distinction again by assuming hostile intent (“they all exploit men,” “it’s all the same underneath”).

Very chatgpt ass sentences. Em dash. Word choice. Overall structure. This is exactly how chatgpt writes

After dozens of responses, the answer became very clear that They are not open to an alliance, pragmatic or otherwise.

The capital They seems very human, ai wouldn't do that. Most of the rest of this seems like ai to me, or at least structured like ai writes. AI wouldn't misspell experiment though, and would end sentences with punctuation. The TLDR definitely looks human for example.

If you look at their old posts they are clearly human and don't use chatgpt structure, em dashes, etc. Have human mistakes, structure and word choice. They use hyphens instead of em dashes. They don't look anything like ai, so its weird to me they all of a sudden start talking like ai does. They just do not talk like this.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They don’t want a better future for themselves, they want to wallow in an adolescent feeling of being indignantly victimized. That’s why no amount of fan service or chud violence in a game can make them happy, they’re too addicted to feeling sorry for themselves.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

Yep. Left the anti-SJW movement as soon as they showed their ass of just being a bunch of Angela Martins but they sometimes manage to hide their asses with surface level charisma.

They lost me around late 2015. It went from “you can’t fight hate with hate. Hate just breeds more hate!” to now “For wanting revenge on white men, we want to oppress you all even harder as revenge for you wanting revenge on us!”

For a laugh, make a post somewhere about leaving the right because fascists or whatever “stooped to the SJW’s level.” or how tradcaths are “the new Reddit atheists”. Hell, even just say “No wonder tumblr was crying out racist! I’m out!”

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago

You do you comrade but you couldn't force me at gunpoint to interact with anybody Gamergate related in 2026.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

you’d just make us pawns

kind of surprising that they understand they're weak minded, easily led rubes who think collaboration with feminists would necessarily result in them being rooked because they're not clever enough

[–] Snort_Owl@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago

I mean yeah its their entire identity. If you take gamergate out of the gamer they literally are a vapid shell of misery its all they have in their worthless lived. THEY DONT EVEN PLAY OR ENJOY GAMES. Anyway im the one true gamer

stop vagueposting and tell us where

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago

Interesting experiment, but an unsurprising outcome. I wouldn't blame it on identity, I think Gamergate types tend to rally around a particular value and goal: hating women and subjugating women. Anything that would be good or beneficial for women would be a step backwards for them.

Even the sex is not about sex, it's about power.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Of course. Steven Bannon and company practiced their division tactics somewhere first. These guys are reactionary and the lack of compromise is part of the core package.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I was playing WoW during the peak of that initially clandestine op he ran, I remember when the terminology switched from "carebear" or "white knight" to derisively refer to people advocating for respectfulness to "social justice warrior" I knew something was off then and there because I had been literally fighting for social justice my entire life as had my parents. The second that phrase became popular vernacular wielded against people for having correct positive views I knew it had to be some fed or fascist (but I repeat myself) shit.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They linguistically hijacked these terms and turned them into "Thought-terminating clichés" (Lifton's term) - phrases that shut down critical thinking by reducing complex positions to dismissible labels.

Here is a good read about what happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Came_from_Something_Awful

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm well aware of the concept. Tankie is the newest one.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I don't like that that term has been split from historical contexts. Critique is incredibly important for building stable movements and societies, communist and otherwise. Though I do not identify as a communist, that term means something very specific in my eyes and not every communist is a strict Stalinist unwilling to compromise.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Tankie has nothing to do with "Stalinism" even (which is not a thing). When the USSR sent tanks to Hungary which the term originally referred to, Stalin had already been dead for years.

Tankie originated specifically western Europe as a pejorative for the left that supported the Soviet Union putting down a counter-revolutionary uprising in Hungary in 1956.

[–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

not every communist is a strict Stalinist unwilling to compromise.

There is a vanishingly small, insignificant number of those. What people call "Stalinists" are just Marxist Leninists, most of whom don't demonize Stalin as this great evil, but as a an imperfect but still exceptionally good leader that presided over one of if not the greatest mass improvements in the quality of human life in history. There is nothing there that one should be "willing to compromise" on aside from that vanishingly insignificant number who deify him. When you say something along the lines of "those weird uncompromising 'Stalinists' are bad and gross, but I know there are still lots of good commies who aren't like that!" you're still just perpetuating the kind of simplistic, naive, children's story book (Animal Farm) level of red scare cliches.

As for maintaining the term as a "critique" of the historical context it has since been divorced from, I find that highly suspect as well. I doubt you will find any Marxist Leninist who would argue that critique is not incredibly important, but coining and using a pejorative term as a thought-terminating cliche is hardly a valid form of critique. That doesn't mean no one ever should use derisive terms for their ideological enemies, only that it's a significant error to confuse that for critique. And this doesn't even begin to go into the general consensus now of Marxist Leninists that those who sided with the Soviet Union for crushing a fascist-led uprising in Hungary in 1956 were, while not above critique, correct in their support, with the British communists who coined the term tankie ultimately the ones proven to have had the flawed analysis, siding with imperialists.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I'm aware of the good Stalin did and he did do a lot of good for the people. That being said, we are also able to do better and learn from what did not work. We have a lot of opportunities to do good and it will require flexibility and trial and error.

Edit: For clarity, I meant "Stalinist" colloquially (rigidly authoritarian and anti-critique) rather than a statement about ML ideology specifically. "Tankie" has been generalised for a while based on that event, and the newest wave of "tankie" usage is something else entirely and rather ill defined.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

highly recommend Stalin a History and Critique of a Black Legend

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

Neat, will add it to the pile. :)

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 4 days ago

A link for others who would like it too:

https://thecharnelhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Domenico-Losurdo-Stalin-History-and-Critique-of-a-Black-Legend.pdf

Looks interesting. I got a few to go through first, but eventually it'll get there lol.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

Proposing alliances with weird nerds like everyone involved is a country and not a nerd on their computer (????)

[–] NoahFuel@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

What I learned from this was that If your goals are opposing censorship, puritanism, defending artistic freedom and resisting moral panic, Gamergate-adjcent communities is a dead end, not because of tone or vibes, but because of structural contradictions.

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago

They are primarily haters, superceding any positive wants they might have.