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In highschool we were taught of "party realignment" to new voter preferences, where it seems in parliamentary systems they would just form new parties and let the old ones die off. (See the UK now)

It's not entirely due to the republican structure of government, because the US did cycle through a few parties before landing on these two. Republicans being deified for winning the Civil War makes sense but why did the Democrats not die out at least?

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think it's because party discipline doesn't really exist in the US the way it does elsewhere. In the UK, if Labour drums out its popular elements, they can run off and form new parties and their popularity will travel with them. In the US, if you win, say, a Democratic primary, there's really nothing the Democrats can do to you until the next election cycle, and even then all they can really do is raise a ton of money for your opponent if they don't like you, they can't kick you out in the same way.

So there's a lot more heterodoxy within the two parties, and the alignments of the parties shifts much more over time. The most recent example of this is the Trump takeover of the Republicans, and the looming future of the Republican party being completely overtaken by millennial and zoomer Nazis. It's a far cry from what it was when Newt Gingrich lead the Republican realignment post Reagan/Bush.

In the past, I think the political machines that the parties all relied on lead to a different result because they had different mechanisms of forcing people out that they just don't have right now. The closest we've really seen to the Dems trying to actually enforce a party line was when they censured Ilhan Omar over Israel, a process which just showed how powerless they are in the current state of things to do that.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago

At the same time while there isn't party discipline on candidates, there's party discipline on the voters themselves. The Parties get to draw their own election maps and make their own election rules to control how people vote. They essentially pick their voters.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's by design.

The second method will be exemplified in the federal republic of the United States. Whilst all authority in it will be derived from, and dependent on the society, the society itself will be broken into so many parts, interests, and classes of citizens, that the rights of individuals, or of the minority, will be in little danger from interested combinations of the majority. - Madison, 1788

By minority, he means the opulent one; rich people.

Any possibility of the Democrats falling by the wayside disappeared when they shifted to a platform almost entirely of progressive identity politics with economic policies of conservatives.

Good read on that shift is Listen, Liberal by Thomas Frank.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Ahhh, Thomas Frank. The first bridge into baseddom for many a commie. He’s still technically a LIB but he went on Chapo and he more than has my respect.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

Lol, yeah. I kept meaning to read the rest of his books, but like once you've read Listen, Liberal you shouldn't really need the rest of his works. People's response to it also serves as a pretty good baseline, imo, of their potential for radicalization. If they've read Listen, Liberal and they're arguing against it, they're not worth my time. That's a bigger gap than I can bridge.

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago

Other countries looked at the US's two party system when forming their democracies, and deliberately avoided that, through parliamentary systems or some sort of proportionate election.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't know the answer but I want to ask a second question that may get to the answer; has there ever been a first past the post representative republic that did have more than 2 healthy, viable parties?

[–] theturtlemoves@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There aren't a lot of first past the post republics, since first past the post is largely used by English speaking countries and most of them have the British King as their Head of State. If you drop the 'republic' condition, then Canada is probably the biggest example.

[–] someone@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Personally I'd argue that Canada is effectively a republic in all but name after the patriation of the constitution in 1982. The UK government's authority only exists as long as they never attempt to actually use it. If they ever do, it'll spark an immediate constitutional crisis and an instant and vigorous national debate on further limiting the already-effectively-ceremonial powers of the monarchy.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

americans are too easily distracted to build anything lasting longer than one election cycle and don't have any moral convictions to oppose media onslaught when they try.

[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

The U.S. has a proud tradition of cranks and crackpots, who consistently either found the alternative party or are drawn to it.

[–] Tychoxii@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Your country is too stable. You've been top dog for 100 years, once you are done with that you'll start cycling new parties like other liberal presidential republics