Communism

Pretty much agreed.

Ideas belong to humanity and IP apologism is just the reactionary defense of propertiorship even if claimed at a smaller scale, a bourgoisie ideal is never the universal emancipation it claims to be - it just means there's a system that one is privileged just enough to benefit from (and even then large enough capital will break that rule in practice).

With regards to western hysteria: it's just projection. There is not a single imperial core country that is not built on stolen wealth let alone just ideas, and it was from that subsidy that they were able to create the material conditions of potential discoverers and innovators over the last few centuries. And as far as humanity is concerned even that too is a blip of history.

The western empire(s) has stolen untold amounts over hundreds of years, some of which they still keep in museums in spite of the peoples they stole from very vocally wanting it back. On top of that, they steal the innocence and lives of millions when they commit genocide and other, lesser (but nevertheless horrifying) atrocities on a regular basis. As an institution, they are basically the monster under the bed they accuse others of being. This does not apply to all of the everyday individuals, many of whom are more ignorant than they are preoccupied hateful in their day to day lives, and/or are exploited themselves by the war machine to one degree or another. But nevertheless, there is a sufficient number who contribute to keep the war machine going.

So it is pretty galling for the west to accuse China of stealing "ideas", when the western imperialists have a habit of colonizing and thereafter trademarking everything under the sun, and would do the same to the very sun itself if they could. If they could monetize breathing, they would without a second thought. CPC China is not held back by conqueror concepts of occupying a thing and then claiming exclusive ownership over it, like how the west is. It allows them to do a lot more with less. But the west is too often illiterate in collective benefit at this stage. The western imperialist doctrine amounts to, "I got mine."

Westoids stole gunpowder from the Arabs who stole it from China so anything taken by threat of arms is rightfully China's.

The most i can get behind is maybe the idea of trademark (but in a way more limited form than it exists today), and only because i think that false advertisement is detrimental. You should know what you are buying and who made it, so you can know if it's a company you're boycotting. I don't want companies on the BDS list to pass their products off as someone else's.

Edit: Although possibly the simpler solution to this problem is just to have laws that require sellers to disclose the origin of a product on the label or whatever.

Well I mean, plagiarism is a thing and thats almost quite literally the theft of ideas. So I think we should at least start by pointing out that the concept is an actual thing that I think most people (including us) Accept.

I think there's a mixup being made here in equating Chinese practice to the practice of companies..."aquiring" ideas from people giving it for free.

China is, for lack of a better term, "liberating" the idea, design, etc. If a company has the design for a process of some sort that creates or modifies something, and prevents others from having it, a copying of that design to then be produced is liberating the idea.

If someone produces something for free, which someone then "aquires" and sells, they're restricting the idea. They are taking something previously free and restricting it with those who own currency.

Part of this we should interrogate is what behavior this encourages. Something free then being taken and sold encourages people with ideas to hoard them. Instead of giving away designs for free, people will patent or copyright designs and try to manufacture them themselves, which is less efficient and further restricts the utility.

If something being sold is taken for free then it decreases the value of hoarding and encourages the free sharing of ideas anyway given the lack of value of copyright and such.

Edit: Also, look at a lot of western science and such. Many things supposedly invented by the greeks or by Renaissance mathematicians were actually first invented elsewhere, but the westerners get credit for obvious reasons. The Pythagoras theorem, pascals triangle, etc. There's also a lot of inventions stolen from native/indigenous societies and passed off as western inventions. So i feel any discussion of idea theft not being a thing needs to acknowledge these occurrences.

(Note: Im personally partial to the idea of doing Maoist naming conventions for theorems and theories and such. I.e, calling the pythagorean theorem the squared sides theorem [or something to that effect], or calling Newton's laws the principle laws of force [although to my knowledge Newton did unequivocally formulate those first])

As an Artist who regularly gives away free Artworks of different nature i kinda take issue when people sell stuff i did not intend for to be on sale. I'm ok with them giving it away, but i don't want people to make money off of works i specifically made to be non-commercial. Just takes all the joy out of creating it in the first place.