I've seen a trend where people move the goalposts on the reasons they're not able to switch. "If only this program worked I could switch", but when that program is ported it'll be a new excuse next. Sooner or later you'll have to draw a line and say "99% of my stuff works, the 1% that doesn't can get bent".
Moving goalposts is a concept that applies to debates. Choosing an operating system shouldn't be a debate. It's a personal choice, or sometimes a professional choice. Convincing people who don't want to be convinced shouldn't be anyone's goal.
I didn't mean my post to be read as trying to convince someone to use Linux, but as someone trying to convince themselves to use Linux. It's fairly common that people want to switch but have convinced themselves that unless they have their exact same workflow from Windows they won't be able to.
It's scary. Straight up. You don't know if changing it will put you into a situation where there is no one there to help. All your information is on these machines and Windows for all it's faults is a bought product with customer service.
Making a change without a safety net or someone to walk you through it is ballsy. Research is important and no offense, hard to find for Linux. Sure there are many "how to" videos and scenarios. But what if I play a game and I cannot absolutely live without it. And all of its plugins?
Well, no duh.
M$ has been the dominant OS for the majority of a lot of peoples lives, accordingly a massive, massive ecosystem has grown up around it.
My IT career has taken me some weird and wonderful places, and there is a lot of extremely specialised software that will only run on windows, and wine unfortunately still has a bit of a stigma with its interoperability. When you're running shit a business literally relies on to exist, you don't play games with it.
Fortunately m$ are shooting themselves in the face, which is driving a lot of vendors to rethink their software., but it's still a slog.
I switched to Ubuntu a few months ago and the only thing that doesn't work are a few online games due to anti-cheat software and those games I'll just play on PS5 now. I don't see myself ever going back at this point. Every issue I have encountered I've been able to resolve with a quick google search. Google search has been getting kinda shitty so that's the next thing I'm looking to replace.
Or better yet, that 1% can run in a VM
or on wine
Wine is so much better these days it's not even funny
Yeah, they're doing great work.
I had used Linux before so I wasn't too worried, but gaming for me was the reason. With Proton I had the desire to switch, but I needed something to just push me over the edge. I wasn't taking the leap on my own. For one Windows update it put the search bar back on the Taskbar, which I had told it to remove. Microsoft, once again, ignoring what I had told it before to try to force me to use something is the thing that pushed me over. It's such a small thing, but it'll be different for everyone.
I don't blame anyone for not switching. It's a fairly large change (though not as large as some imagine). Most people will just stick with what they know until something comes along that makes them trip up, and then the thing they know is seen as a hindrance. That's going to be different for everyone. We just need to inform people that, when that thing comes, there is an option for them that will handle pretty much whatever they need.
And the reason is going to be "enterprise" software, which is usually a pile of a flaming wreck that barely runs in its native Windows environment in the first place. So it is with the point of sale/inventory software I have to use for work. I can run it in a VM, but it explodes spectacularly in Wine.
I want to use linux and will use it when two conditions are met:
-All my work software and the games I play the most all work on it (without requiring me to re-buy shit I already own to get a linux compatable version)
-Its user friendly enough that asking which version I should use as a beginner doesn't result in all the linux users immediately descending into the thread equivelent of a cartoon fight cloud with random limbs flailing around.
Edit: Some feedback on the feedback:
-Apparently some of the linux versions are super user friendly but advice about this is totally inconsistent, some of the advice doesn't even actually name a specific version or versions.
-"It all works fine you just need to install thing A through thing B and then use it to run thing C in order to run this one single program from windows" is not as encouraging as you think it is. The thought of potentially going through that for every piece of software is at least for me a big reason for not switching yet and I suspect for a lot of other people too.
-The reference page for what games work on linux is helpful though some things on it only work if you use the steam version which is the precise reason for my not wanting to re-buy things comment.
Edit: Additional question.
Is it mandatory to use the terminal for everything? Everytime I see people talk about linux or look stuff up about it the terminal seems to be everywhere. I'm somewhat familiar with the windows command line (which I assume is the terminals equivelent) but having to use that just to install software (as opposed to just running a .exe) seems really daunting.
Having an opinionated and somewhat socially inept userbase doesn't mean the OS isn't user-friendly.
There are many linux distros that focus on being user friendly and they really are.
somewhat socially inept userbase
I'm way more socially inept than just somewhat
I second that. The friendliness of the main help forum(s) for the distro is what's really the key, moreso than the software itself.
man reading this was like seeing someone kidnap a mcdonald's employee and expecting the execs to pay ransom
For the last bit, that shouldn't be a problem. It's like going to an ice cream shop and complaining there are too many flavors and people arguing over which flavor is best makes you decide to just not get ice cream.
What you should do instead is look at the flavors of ice cream and weigh what you want with what each flavor is. Only you know what you desire. Windows wants to make their system work for everyone, so then it works for no one because everyone has different wants and needs. It's the ice cream flavor of them shoving every ingredient together and it just creates a mess.
As for games, it's pretty good now. There's the issue of some multiplayer games not having updated their anti-cheat, but a lot of anti-cheat is ready. Easy anti-cheat, for example, is fine if the devs have updated it and implemented it. However, it's not like Proton where it makes most things work without devs doing any work. Check ProtonDB for compatibility.
What work software do you need? There are alternatives for MS Office, including online versions of MS Office that don't require an OS. Blender is great. There are plenty of code editors. Most of the alternatives are also FOSS so don't require buying anything, though donating is encouraged.
For me it's...
But! All the above said, I run Linux and have a Windows VM. And I also run Windows and have a Linux VM - so it's almost there for me. If work & clients all ditched Microsoft's ecosystem, it'd be a lot easier for me to but, unfortunately, they pay my bills.
What games do you play? If you're playing through steam, you can search protondb.com for your games to see how playable they are on Linux.
A real Linux boi would rewrite the program from scratch custom tailored to his personal needs.
I wish I could wipe my windows drive, but I have to use adobe shit, maya, unity and unreal. those are either too hard to install on linux, too expensive to buy a linux version, or works far inferior or not at all on linux.
hopefully I can be forgiven because I game almost exclusively on linux now.
Same. I'd give anything for viable Linux native Adobe alternatives. I'm trying to force myself to use Inkscape but it just cripples my productivity. I need to find an emotional support group for people who can't leave their abusive windows relationship.
How else am I supposed to run Bonzi Buddy?
It's a pretty simple Visual Basic 6 app so I'd be surprised if it didn't work using WINE.
The problem is mostly a lack of competition in specific fields. And the companies that own the monopoly in their respective niches make it so that any form of competition is either...
Most of these applications have codebases that are FUCKING ANCIENT. Let's take a look at Solidworks for example, which is the industry standard for Computer Aided Design for the manufacturing industry. Under the hood, it's still the same software from the 1990's. And there is no incentive for Dassault Systemes to rewrite the codebase.
Lots of these giant monopolistic software products have turned into frankenstein-esque monstrosities over the years. I often tell people they are built like backyard playhouses that have been expanded over the years by building an extra story on top, adding a swingset, adding a slide, extending the roof and attaching a rope ladder to the side.
All of this makes for more functionality, but they haven't really thought about the structural integrity of the original playhouse. In a direct parallel many of these programs have unmaintainable code that no one dares touch because "hey it works, and we need to keep it that way because if we break it we're no longer getting payed".
These companies unintentionally hold their businessmodel hostage by choosing profits over innovation and investment in an adaptable codebase.
Which is why it is near impossible for them to support technologies that are different from their original install base. And this is also why they have incentives to make sure they stay in the lead becuase they know damn well that open source movements that get some support and take flight are dangerous to their market share, and by extension their profits.
Blender is probably one of the best examples of what good open source software will do to an industry. The day someone develops a parametric CAD solution that's platform agnostic and based on open standards we'll see a lot of engineers ditch Windows for Linux.
Can't force em, let them live with their choices.
I like running windows in a vm it's like having an animal in a cage you can poke with a stick. Not that I would do that. Hypothetically of course.
TFW you've never heard of a virtual machine
I’ve run Linux for years on servers and in VMs in VMware Workstation, but not my main OS because of games. I’ve tried before but games just didn’t work well. Tried again recently and the games I’m playing now worked with no issues with Lutris and Steam. I could already do “everything else” on Linux so this is the longest I’ve gone without booting back to my Windows disk. Already have a Kali VM in virt-manager and will add a Windows VM if I hit an application snag. But so far haven’t had any app issues. If this continues I’ll be wiping the Windows disk to make more space for Linux.
I had to crawl back to windows cuz i couldn't find a way to run xtoys script, that would trigger a shock collar on being hit/killed in elden ring
I'm currently learning FreeCAD so that the one machine I still have sitting around to run Fusion360 can be liberated from Windows at long last. And as a bonus I won't have to keep updating NoMachine every couple weeks.
I'm paying the tech debt of not switching sooner.
Just use a windows VM lol. Only problem I've encountered outside of that was a lockdown browser for school but I just put that on a burner laptop because there is no way I'm letting some rando have root access to my main pc
Just yesterday I updated an 8bitdo controller's firmware. I just keep a laptop with windows around for this sort of nonsense. And no, it's one of the older ones that do not work with the android app, not that using the app is any better.
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