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That's one of those general election issues where they only pull out of storage just before the general election. Like gay rights, abortion, wages. And fold them up neatly and stow them away until the next general election.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How do some folks get so passionate about politics, but still know nothing about how their own government works?

Only half the Democrats in the House supported it, so it was never going to pass. Not unless more than half of Republicans decided to rebel against their own party and join Progressives. And that's not even including the Senate vote.

The only way Medicare for All is ever going to happen, is if every single Democrat in the House AND the Senate all unanimously vote for it...while they have control of BOTH houses...and a president in office that isn't going to veto it.

Anything less than that, and all this bellyaching about holding a vote on it, is literally just a waste of time.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 months ago

You're forgetting about SCOTUS. They could decide that Medicaid is unconstitutional because of $reasons and scrap it.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Your comment illustrates the dysfunction of government allowed by voters. Voters view politicians as leaders and not public servants that deserve to lose their jobs if they refuse to listen to their constituents.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ummm, no dude. This is just civics if you don't understand the mechanics behind passing legislation, you will never get what you want. You seem to think there's some magical element involved, where legislation should automatically match public opinion...but the truth is, you have to actually run candidates that share your opinion to represent you in Congress, in order for them to vote the way you want them to.

If you aren't willing to do the work to make government match your expectations, then you shouldn't be surprised when things don't go your way. It's literally the definition of insanity to expect different outcomes, without altering any of the variables.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That would be great if true.

The only time you get a say is in the primary. After that, with FPTP voting, you only get to vote against the worst candidate. By that point, there's no improving the selection.

And they don't hold primaries for incumbents.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Every candidate should be primaried especially incumbents. Why should they be entitled to keep a job they may not deserve to keep? Every president should be 1 and done, no second term

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Uhhh it lost? Every time someone pushes for Medicare for all they get there asses kick in the election. The only way for Americans to get Medicare for all is to not run on it, and instead jam it past right after an election. Once it's going they'll love it but getting there is a struggle or did you not watch what happened with the ACA. Obama jammed it through over major objections, and the Democrats lost heavy in the following midterms. It was albatross around his neck for the rest of his term and only eight years later when the Republicans had a fucking trifecta and try to kill it did Americans decide that the ACA was a good thing.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Every time someone pushes for Medicare for all they get there asses kick in the election.

Can we get a list of those multiple times? Also to be clear a strong majority of the US population wants universal healthcare as of 2024.

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

1993 - Bill and Hillary - Just suggesting that they might be interested in a Public Heath option led to a backlash and the Democrats losing 54 seats in the house and 8 Senate seats in the midterms.
2000 - Al Gore - It wasn't a huge pillar of Gore's platform but he did campaign on his plan to extend Medicare to pay for prescription drugs, to work for a sensible universal health-care system
2004 - John Kerry - Honestly it really didn't change his chances but it didn't help.
2008 - Barrack Obama - He did win and his health plan, which was just a reskin of the Massachusetts health plan, and he even got it through (He did have a Trifecta). But in 2010 the backlash lead to Democrats loosing 63 seats in the house and 7 seats in the Senate.
2012 - It was a squeaker and Obama held on but the Kerry campaign was kind of handicapped by the fact that he was the One who pushed through the Massachusetts health plan.
2016 - Well all of the 'Medicare for all' candidates in the Democratic primaries lost to Biden so there too.

History didn't start in January 2017 with Trumps election. This problem has been rotting in Americas heart for close to a hundred years

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So, in summary, there's not been a single time Democrats have actually pushed Medicare for all.

[–] fantasyocean@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

In each case the party was never united in the push, but in order to get that kind of unity, you have to change the entire makeup of the party. But in order to do that, we'd have to have a decades-long campaign to educate the public. We are kind of at the last part, but unfortunately the fascists have taken over.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why did you just a bunch of things that aren't Medicare for all?

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because no true Scotsman has proposed one. After all close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Least incoherent shitlib

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website -1 points 5 months ago

I hope that’s my tag now 😂

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The ACA we got was the original Republican plan. It was Romneycare in a jacket. It's why they can't do anything every time they threaten to replace it, they already got their version.

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 11 points 5 months ago

Yeah and they still tried to kill it as soon as Trump was elected only a sick and dying McCain came in at the last minute to vote with Democrats saved it. And I’ll remind you that the Republican Senate brought up the vote because they thought McCain was to sick to vote.

[–] Tower@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Joe Lieberman was the assigned rotating villain. A tactic often used by the DNC when they don't want to pass something they campaigned on. 'We tried'

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

The ACA is not Medicare for all. NEXT!

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Republicans as a party have absolutely no issue with the ACA, because it protects profits, and that's their entire goal. They give the illusion that they want to take it away from you so that liberals cling on to it even tighter, so they accept the stale bread crumbs they were given and never demand better.

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 12 points 5 months ago

You do remember in the first year of Trump's first term they had a vote to kill 'Obamacare' and only lost it at the last second when a sick and dying John McCain dragged his ass in to Senate to make the 51st No vote, right? Or last week were they refused to pass an extension on the rebates that make the ACA affordable?

[–] Darnton@piefed.zip 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Moronic Americans being succesfully distracted to not criticise their current fascist government with shit like this.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We can do both.

Complaining about captive representation isnt the problem here

Fuckers who refuse to acknowledge problems should be primaried.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You can't, you demonstrably can't. Have you seen what's actually happening in the US? Americans can think of only one thing, and most are doing it very badly

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Is the non-fascist party in the room with is right now?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

What do you expect right now? GOP has control of the house of representatives, the Senate, and the presidency. Vote.

Btw gay rights, trans rights, abortion, etc. - no one cared. Bill Clinton was right: It's the economy stupid. The next election will be only about the economy. Everything else is gone because voters never show up for it. Any progress you ever want in the future including green energy, gone for at least 16 years. No one showed up for it. It'll only be about the economy.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 15 points 5 months ago

Voters don't show up when you promise them fuckall or even worse; republican policy and messaging.

Do you think more voters showed up when Kamala started talking about tax breaks for small businesses, having cops talking at the DNC, and started yelling about the "tHe mOsT lEtHaL miLiTaRy eVar!!"? Half the people I talked to phone banking in 2020 thought Biden supported all the things people were literally rioting in support of because the republicans were against it.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Vote for what? The same party that does not want Medicare for all or any form of universal health care? Voters may want Medicare for all or universal health care, but the party does not. The answer to the exact same people that Republicans answer to. And do everything in their power to protect profit.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

If it were about the economy voters would have demanded a primary to Biden.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

If the Dems were a controlled opposition party, would they be acting notably different?

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

*Medicaid

A ton of us ain't 65

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I think the "for all" is the part you ignored

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just wait until you here how awesome Trump's new healthcare plan is. It's supposed to the the biggest,the best, the strongest, the most complete health plan ever to be conceived.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Whataboutism.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

Using whataboutism comparing reality to an ideal is a insane misuse of the term.