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That's one of those general election issues where they only pull out of storage just before the general election. Like gay rights, abortion, wages. And fold them up neatly and stow them away until the next general election.

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[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Uhhh it lost? Every time someone pushes for Medicare for all they get there asses kick in the election. The only way for Americans to get Medicare for all is to not run on it, and instead jam it past right after an election. Once it's going they'll love it but getting there is a struggle or did you not watch what happened with the ACA. Obama jammed it through over major objections, and the Democrats lost heavy in the following midterms. It was albatross around his neck for the rest of his term and only eight years later when the Republicans had a fucking trifecta and try to kill it did Americans decide that the ACA was a good thing.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Every time someone pushes for Medicare for all they get there asses kick in the election.

Can we get a list of those multiple times? Also to be clear a strong majority of the US population wants universal healthcare as of 2024.

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

1993 - Bill and Hillary - Just suggesting that they might be interested in a Public Heath option led to a backlash and the Democrats losing 54 seats in the house and 8 Senate seats in the midterms.
2000 - Al Gore - It wasn't a huge pillar of Gore's platform but he did campaign on his plan to extend Medicare to pay for prescription drugs, to work for a sensible universal health-care system
2004 - John Kerry - Honestly it really didn't change his chances but it didn't help.
2008 - Barrack Obama - He did win and his health plan, which was just a reskin of the Massachusetts health plan, and he even got it through (He did have a Trifecta). But in 2010 the backlash lead to Democrats loosing 63 seats in the house and 7 seats in the Senate.
2012 - It was a squeaker and Obama held on but the Kerry campaign was kind of handicapped by the fact that he was the One who pushed through the Massachusetts health plan.
2016 - Well all of the 'Medicare for all' candidates in the Democratic primaries lost to Biden so there too.

History didn't start in January 2017 with Trumps election. This problem has been rotting in Americas heart for close to a hundred years

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So, in summary, there's not been a single time Democrats have actually pushed Medicare for all.

[–] fantasyocean@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

In each case the party was never united in the push, but in order to get that kind of unity, you have to change the entire makeup of the party. But in order to do that, we'd have to have a decades-long campaign to educate the public. We are kind of at the last part, but unfortunately the fascists have taken over.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why did you just a bunch of things that aren't Medicare for all?

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because no true Scotsman has proposed one. After all close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website -1 points 5 months ago

I hope that’s my tag now 😂

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The ACA we got was the original Republican plan. It was Romneycare in a jacket. It's why they can't do anything every time they threaten to replace it, they already got their version.

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 11 points 5 months ago

Yeah and they still tried to kill it as soon as Trump was elected only a sick and dying McCain came in at the last minute to vote with Democrats saved it. And I’ll remind you that the Republican Senate brought up the vote because they thought McCain was to sick to vote.

[–] Tower@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Joe Lieberman was the assigned rotating villain. A tactic often used by the DNC when they don't want to pass something they campaigned on. 'We tried'

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

The ACA is not Medicare for all. NEXT!

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Republicans as a party have absolutely no issue with the ACA, because it protects profits, and that's their entire goal. They give the illusion that they want to take it away from you so that liberals cling on to it even tighter, so they accept the stale bread crumbs they were given and never demand better.

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 12 points 5 months ago

You do remember in the first year of Trump's first term they had a vote to kill 'Obamacare' and only lost it at the last second when a sick and dying John McCain dragged his ass in to Senate to make the 51st No vote, right? Or last week were they refused to pass an extension on the rebates that make the ACA affordable?