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[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 139 points 4 weeks ago (62 children)

This is just blatantly false, men's rights do vary wildly state by state. I get what this is saying and I agree with the message but presenting a good message behind a lie doesn't make it any less of a lie.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (7 children)

I am also very supportive of women's rights but lying is not helpful.

Honestly the point that it tries to make is not the point that it makes either. It could be understood as "let's ban abortion everywhere", and I don't think that is the point that it tries to make.

I am in favor of bodily autonomy and I don't care what the law currently is anywhere, it should be a given.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 23 points 4 weeks ago (10 children)

I am also very supportive of women's rights but lying is not helpful.

Worth knowing: although they attract a lot of anti-feminist losers, the "men's rights" activists are absolutely correct that men do not universally have the same support programs or even legal presumptions that women do. These can vary widely from state to state and even from court to court.

It's not nearly as big an issue as "they want her to die from a miscarriage", but "they presume he's the inferior parent" or "they presume he caused the violence even if he's the one bleeding" are also sexist oppression.

(Comparisons to the anti-woke "all lives matter" bullshit are apt -- men can and should recognize that relatively minor slights and injustices are not nearly as urgent as denying pregnant humans life-saving care!)

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 74 points 4 weeks ago (27 children)

Men's rights very much do differ by state but not anywhere near as significant

[–] neatchee@piefed.social 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (11 children)

You are missing the point. There are no rights exclusive to men that vary by state. The only rights that vary by state for one gender are women's rights.

Things like parental rights don't apply here because those impact both genders (they are zero-sum; a decrease in men's paternal rights implies an increase in women's rights).

Only women have specific rights that ONLY impact women and vary from state to state

[–] IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org 6 points 4 weeks ago (11 children)

There are no rights exclusive to men or women. Abortion also affects trans men.

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[–] D1re_W0lf@piefed.world 55 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

If a right varies from state to state, it’s not a right, it’s a conditional privilege.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 21 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

I'd argue they are still rights whether the law is behind it or not. These things are always a moral entitlement; not always a lawful one.

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[–] DempstersBox@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

when i was younger and stupid and in the (glass) closet i was dating the son of a pharmacologist. this man had made millions developing medications. he was fond of me and privately told me i was too funny and smart to be dating boys.

he also said that it was incredibly unlikely that sexism will ever be resolved in the medical field. that the majority of medications i will ever take - even some of which are "for women" - will not be clinically tested on my body.

the problem, he said, was in getting any human clinical trial approved.

to test on a body with a uterus - any body, even elderly patients or those who have been sterilized - was often nigh-impossible, because the concern was that the test patient may, at any point, become pregnant.

once/if the patient became pregnant, the study would not be about "the effects of New Medication on the body."

instead, the trial would fail - the results would be "the effects of New Medication on a developing fetus/pregnant patient."

it was massively easier, he said, to just test without accounting for a uterus.

that's how he phrased it - accounting for a uterus.

at the time, i remember him talking about the ethical implications of testing on a developing fetus; how such testing could theoretically bankrupt a company if a lawsuit was filed. he talked about informed consent and about how long it took for any legislation to be passed about this -

  • that in 1993; the year i was born, it finally became illegal to outright exclude women and minorities from clinical trials.

i remember him shrugging. "that's not to say it doesn't happen," he said. my ears were ringing.

i was thinking about how every time i have been rushed to the ER, the first thing they have asked me is if i am pregnant.

when i broke my wrist at 16 years old - despite never having had sex - they made me wait three hours for the test to come back negative before they gave me pain meds. the possibility of a child haunts my health.

how many people have died on the table because they were waiting for the pregnancy test before treatment.

how many people have died on the table because they were pregnant, and the only thing we care about is the fetus.

it is hard to explain to other people, but it feels like some kind of strange ghost. our entire lives, we are supposed to "save" our bodies for our future partners. but really we are just saving the body for the future child, aren't we? that hovering future-almost that cartwheels around in a miasma. you can't get your tubes tied, what if you change your mind? think of the child you must have, eventually. who cares about you and your actual safety. think about what you could be carrying.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 6 points 3 weeks ago

jesus, that was a haunting read

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[–] bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Liability for child and spousal support do vary by state.

Gendered inequity in criminal punishment does vary by state also.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 36 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup.

We live in a country where if I get in the car with my girlfriend on the west coast and drive to the east coast, she gains and loses basic human rights multiple times before we reach our destination and nothing changes for me.

We can't even treat our women with respect. Trash nation. Full stop.

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[–] ignirtoq@feddit.online 32 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

Men's rights to what, exactly? There are plenty of rights that affect men that vary state to state. Off the top of my head I can think of firearm rights that vary dramatically state to state. Or are we talking about rights exclusive to men because of different biology between men and women? I feel like other than a vasectomy, I'm not sure what other male-biology-related rights I have. Honestly there's less technology related to reproduction on the male side.

I get the point of the message, that there are rights women should be universally guaranteed that aren't, and I totally agree with that message. But the phrasing seems ambiguous at best.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 25 points 4 weeks ago

I am sure that they are speaking of reproductive rights that apply exclusively to men.

The biggest one that I can think of that varies by region are paternal rights. Things like which parent gets custody, child support. I guess you could say that paternal rights in that case simply vary inversely to maternal rights.

I think I recall from the past that in some states, a sperm donor, like for a sperm bank, may be subject to more liability for their children than in other states.

Medically, there's not only vasectomy, but also drugs that cause erections like Viagra, as well as other impotence treatments. I have no idea if any of those vary by state. Prostate treatment would also count. Any treatment that might increase or decrease viable sperm count.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were differences between states about how penile implants or even piercings are treated.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 31 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

Unless those men are black, Hispanic, or neurodivergent.

[–] DempstersBox@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

You realize those prejudices get compounded, right?

What's the name of that highway in canada, where they raped and murdered and dumped the corpses of native women?

Never a lead on any of those cases. I don't think one was male, but hey, maybe there were a couple

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Indiginous men were taken on star light tours by the cops
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_killings

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 weeks ago (21 children)

Tell me that when we ban male genital mutilation.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Aha aha aha but wait, it's equally legal in every state, thus making it just fine. /s

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 5 points 4 weeks ago

Would an inconsistent law really be better?

It should be consistently restricted.

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[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Here in Tennessee, if I get a boner in public (fully clothed), it’s indecent exposure and I can be arrested.

That’s not the case in most states.

Granted, I doubt it’s a common issue, but I’m a nerd and saw a claim that’s technically wrong, so here I am.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (22 children)

I don't get why people think saying things like "REPEAT THAT OUT LOUD" makes their point better. Let the horror speak for itself, it's plenty capable of doing so.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

To be fair, given the apparent average reading comprehension of most social media users, it probably does actually make a difference

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[–] inkzombie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 4 weeks ago
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[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

More bullshit, made up divisiveness.

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