Many participants had issues such as homelessness, untreated mental health disorders, substance use, relationship crises, disengagement from health services and conflicts with government institutions.

Society is unwilling to help these men in desperate need of help until it is proven that it will help women first

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

What a weird thing to take away from the article.

Certainly you can think of at least a few organizations tackling homelessness, untreated mental health disorders, substance use, relationship crises, disengagement from health services and conflicts with government institutions.

Seriously it's a single study into another topic. That's just how science works. I'll never understand when people get mad that a study exists and that it is somehow unable to cover every possibility of a complex topic in a single study.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not mad the study exists. It's a useful finding. It's the framing of the article I object to. It could just as easily be framed that mental health treatment for men at risk or incarceration improves outcomes and is more cost effective.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At risk of incarceration for what

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Drugs, minor theft, any of the various excuses police use to lock up the homeless and those having a mental health crisis. Lots of options.

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[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's a whole suite of issues we blame the victim for; there are a good number of women in these buckets too. I suspect the male focus here has more to do with domestic violence.

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[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm reading the study to find the part where it says that these participants didn't have any social or societal support to attempt to deal with their other problems.

Oh right - sorry I see now that you were just vocalising the chip on your shoulder.

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[–] tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Or... OR!... Or: we treat the root cause of depression in men.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

are you suggesting public funds be used to help the public? what are you? a filthy commie?

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What do you believe the root cause of depression in men to be?

[–] Unbecredible@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Lol, right?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

If you read the article, depression is a component, but the real issue is inability to emotionally regulate often due to trauma or mental illness (where the depression comes in). Additionally they approached it from a holistic perspective and included therapy. Mind you this is an initial study so it's good it didn't have too broad of a scope.

Furthermore, this is treating a root cause of the issue, but in the sons (and possibly daughters) of the people being treated. Growing up with an abusive parent makes you much more likely to become abusive as an adult, and having that parent get help and stop abusing is probably going to spare some future men from preventable mental illness.

Sure there are other social issues that can lead to worse mental health, but the results of this study are hugely inspiring and can help now.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

...are you aware of what 'antidepressants' are for? The answer may shock you.

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[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

The article: “it appears that domestic violence has roots in the mental health of men, as this antidepressant appears to reduce incidents of DV in some cases. A more comprehensive mental health care system would improve these results.”

The Chuds in the comments who didn’t read the article: “SO NOW THEY WANT TO DRUG ALL MEN TO PROTECT WOMEN! WHAT ABOUT A MORE COMPREHENSIVE MENTAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM!? MEN ARE THE VICTIMS IN THIS SCENARIO!”

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 12 points 1 month ago

If they put fluoride in drinking water, they can put this in protein shakes and those shower gels that come in the angular gunmetal-coloured containers

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's excellent news. The random tiktok videos inserted into the article are still making me lose my cool, though.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

More sertraline for you.

[–] ZERONOVABLOSSOM@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

That’s cool, I never really deeply considered how important impulse control is in emotional regulation.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (17 children)

I'm not going to pretend this is an emotionally easy or comfortable approach. There's a desire to protect the victims and write off the perpetrators on one hand and on the other, there's the men who feel attacked by the idea that abusive and violent men are having mental health issues. But I believe in evidence based solutions. If this works, and it doesn't violate fundamental rights (which it doesn't), then it's a path I want pursued.

And it makes a lot of sense to me. Every abuser I've had has had mental health issues. My father couldn't fully control big emotions in the moment, and so when he didn't have the capacity to step away, such as a car ride or a hotel room, he scared the shit out of us.

I would love a pilot program that forces domestic abusers into mental health treatment similar to addicts are sometimes put into sobriety programs.

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