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[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 73 points 3 months ago (16 children)

Blame tablet culture. Everything is now optimally desgined for user friendliness. Kids can just download an app from the appstore and point at what they want it to do. People don't even know anymore how the filesystem on their computer works. If the dow load pup-up in chrome disappears, they think the download has dissapeared and they need to download it again.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago (7 children)

TBF, Android and iOS do not make it clear where files are going when you save them like desktop OSes do. It's almost as if they are intentionally trying to hide their file structure, especially Apple, which is beyond frustrating.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

They are intentionally trying to hide it.

The default file browsers don't access the entire file structure, what exists and what you can see and edit, without root.

You can, or at least could, sideload a FOSS filebrowser, much more straightforward UI, doesnt shit itself if you arent logged into it.

What they instead do is make it really, really easy to upload all your personal files to their cloud, which is either going to cost you time, money, or your privacy.

Its why Microsoft genuinely doesnt understand why everyone hates OneDrive, why they genuinely don't see a problem with Windows becoming an AI prompt/API with ads.

Because its basically the same as the mobile UI paradigm.

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[–] assembly@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I thought the younger folk would be faster on computers than me but I had to show a junior new hire IT tech what a zip file was and how to open it. Something that I assumed would be second nature to them, they hadn’t seen. Growing up with analog and moving to digital as society progressed, I assumed the next generation would smoke me in tech but it’s been surprising that because tech has “Just worked” for many of them they haven’t had to learn how it works. A blessing and a curse I suppose.

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago

Honestly sometimes having learned the analog counterpart is really useful. It's a different field but the first time I mixed live audio was on an old analog mixer. It wasn't really all that difficult to use once explained. Shortly after we replaced it with a digital mixer (behringer x32), and I'm so glad that I had the opportunity to use the old analog one because so many concepts would appear, at least to me, difficult to grasp if you're starting out on the digital one.

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[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Everything is now optimally desgined for user friendliness.

Feels like the opposite to me. Modern mobile style interfaces feel extremely hostile, designed to minimise the amount of information the user can extract from the application (and maximise the amount that can be extracted from the user and sold to the highest bidder) and our control over it.

Classic desktop interfaces (and no, the stupid office ribbons are not included in that), even when poorly designed, are many orders of magnitude easier to use and navigate, and provide a lot more tools and information.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I agree, but we have two have different meanings of user friendly here.

You: The thing makes it easy to do what I want, to understand what it can do.

Them: The thing makes it easy to do what the designer wants, makes it easy to understand what the designer wants me to do with it.

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[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Also I've noticed a total lack of curiosity or willingness to learn how to use these products. It takes a little brain power sometimes.

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[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 62 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Richard Stallman literally started the Free Software Foundation over his frustrations with a printer

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/rms-nyu-2001-transcript.txt

Xerox gave the Artificial Intelligence Lab, where I worked, a laser printer, and this was a really handsome gift, because it was the first time anybody outside Xerox had a laser printer. And, you know, copiers jam, but there's somebody there to fix them.

Well, we had an idea for how to deal with this problem. Change it so that whenever the printer gets a jam, the machine that runs the printer can [...] tell the users who are waiting for printouts go fix the printer.

But at that point, we were completely stymied, because the software that ran that printer was not free software. It had come with the printer, and it was just a binary.

And then I heard that somebody at Carnegie Mellon University had a copy of that software. So I was visiting there later, so I went to his office and I said, "Hi, I'm from MIT. Could I have a copy of the printer source code?" And he said "No, I promised not to give you a copy." He had signed a non-disclosure agreement.

Now, this was my first, direct encounter with a non-disclosure agreement, and it taught me an important lesson -- [..] non-disclosure agreements have victims. They're not innocent. [...]

(he goes on for a bit, but ultimately describes never accepting any software that requires signing an NDA ever, and then goes on to write his own unix)

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

And then I heard that somebody at Carnegie Mellon University had a copy of that software. So I was visiting there later, so I went to his office and I said, “Hi, I’m from MIT. Could I have a copy of the printer source code?” And he said “No, I promised not to give you a copy.” He had signed a non-disclosure agreement.

"this is it kids, this is the moment, right here, where all the madness starts.... " time traveller viewing the birth of free & open source software

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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 54 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Just think, once we all die off, no more printers.

[–] OlPatchy2Eyes@slrpnk.net 20 points 3 months ago (4 children)

The responsibility of knowing how to use a printer skips a generation, much like male pattern baldness.

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[–] Raptor_007@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Literally helped my parents with this last night.

Also, fuck windows for defaulting a setting I’d never seen before: “let windows manage my default printer”

That’s why it wasn’t printing. What a fucking stupid idea.

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ah, I see mom’s PC updated and it’s trying to print with the fucking “OneNote XPS” virtual printer again.

Also I see the “OneNote XPS” printer I manually remove every month is back again.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I'm lucky that the people in my life do try some basics before asking me and tell me what they tried. Sometimes things just seem to start working when I arrive, so I just play along with it and say the printer was intimidated into working by my mere presence.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 22 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Oh, you have that aura too? I like it in that it helps me avoid spending time on fixes, but it's annoying too because deep in my mind I wonder what really went wrong.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Same. What do you mean your device was suddenly incapable of performing one of its most basic functions for an hour and it magically got better just before you handed it to me? I don't have panacea NFC tags embedded in my skin.

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[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

The panic my coworkers get in their eyes when they pull me from a task just to show me something that suddenly works for them is always funny.

“This was totally not working for 10 minutes straight.”

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)
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[–] StrongHorseWeakNeigh@piefed.social 21 points 3 months ago

Tbf printers are the most unnecessarily complicated pieces of shit ever

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (10 children)

To be fair I can make a 3D printer work more easily and for longer without any maintenance than a regular ass printer. I get that inkjets are actually super complex but bro there are now cases where it is literally easier to make a thing than to print out a picture of that thing.

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[–] Ersatz86@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (6 children)

We are complaining about printers now? Outstanding! I can help! I never miss the opportunity to say double-fuck Hewlett Packard/Compaq and anything they’ve ever thought about producing with the heat of a thousand suns. Two shitty orgs that geometrically devolved into quintessential, archetypal enshittification enshrined, the unequalled horrors that are HP printers and drivers.

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[–] renrenPDX@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Here’s my obligatory Fuck You to ink jet printers and cartridges.

A few months ago I finally got a Brother b/w multi function laser printer and not having to refill Magenta or Black regularly is no longer, and my mind is at peace.

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[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

When I was around 8, we had a printer that never seemed to work. One day, I somehow cast a spell that allowed it to print out a couple of colouring book sheets, but I had no idea how.

I couldn't get it to work again, but my one-time success led my mum to believe that I understood the magicks that power printers, and she became frustrated at me for this. Fun fun fun

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[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
  • Have to help your cousin who is the same age as you but somehow never learnt how to use a printer
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[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I haven’t had a printer in years. Best decision I’ve made. When you don’t have one, your need for printing things seems to decrease. We just order prints at the library the 2 times a year we need to print something for like 25 cents a page

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Start needing legal assistance and see your printing needs skyrocket. Gathering evidence takes a lot of paper.

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’ve used computers recreationally for 35 years, professionally for 30.

I’ve never owned a printer.

I refuse to support equipment I don’t use.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, a Boomer needs tech support, of any kind, family, friend, otherwise?

$100/h.

Stop subsidizing their utter incompetence, time for 'tough love'.

A kid?

Like an actual kid?

Free.

How would they know any better?

But, let em know the first fix is free, on the house, next one will be $5, then $10... or, they can spend no money if they want to spend an hour getting tutored on the basics maybe once a week.

Generate fishermen, not fish.

Show them that they are capable, can learn, can solve problems... if they're patient and humble enough to try and learn.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The kids aren't alright.

Seriously.

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Had to teach our seniors to use alt+tab, Had to teach our interns to use alt+tab

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I don't have any kids. I'm free!!

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