Idk if the paper addresses this, but supposedly the problem isn't the amount of stuff, but rather its distribution on the planet and the logistics of moving it.
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and also the necessity of surplus and accidental (necessary) waste:
you need spare parts, and some machines are critical… think of data centres: they often have many spare hard drives on hand to deal with failure, which means that there are more than 100% of the required drives in use… some of the workloads running in that data centre service very important workloads - for example because it’s fresh in everyone’s mind - handing SNAP payments… so what, you redistribute those drives so that we are using all that we have? no we certainly don’t… we eat the inefficiency in the case of redundancy (same argument could apply many more times over when you also think about things like mirrored drives, backups, etc: all of that is under-utilised capacity and “waste”)
the same is true for supermarkets: food that is perishable can’t just be allocated where it’s needed. it exists in a place for a period of time, and you either run out a lot or you have some amount of spoilage… there’s a very hard to hit middle ground with overlapping sell by dates, and overall these days were incredibly good at hitting that already!
… and that’s not to mention the stock on the shelves which is the same thing as spare disk drives!
i guess that’s all distribution on the planet
we could certainly do better, but it’s so much more complex than the fact that these things exist so it must be possible to utilise them 100% efficiently
I would argue we don't actually need data centers. At least the vast majority of them only exist to maintain bullshit nobody needs and most people don't even want.
Food can be canned, and remain nutritious and safe for much longer than fresh fruits and vegetables can be.
The argument isn't that it would be easy, it's that were the will there to do so, it is possible.
yeah i tend to think today that food waste is actually a good thing because it creates buffers and prepares us for unexpected food shortages (such as during a volcano eruption)
in Korea it was difficult to get aid to the villages on the front for obvious reasons. so some smartass thought, "if we can't bring the aid to the people, let's bring the people to the aid".
we shouldn't allow a simple problem like logistics get in the way of saving lives.
That logic is flawed too. The only thing preventing people in most areas to have access to such goods is the lack of industrialization, which is enforced by capitalist western nations through corruption, coups, or other less obvious methods like IMF loans and neocolonialism.
Countries that escaped this subjugation and industrialized, such as China or the USSR, essentially eliminated extreme poverty and multiplied life expectancy 2- and 3-fold in a matter of decades. If India, for example, had followed the Soviet example of rapid industrialization or the Chinese one, hundreds of millions of lives would have been saved from poverty.
We don't need to produce things in the developed countries and distribute them, we need to allow them to industrialize themselves and to produce their own shit without being exploited
How would you propose India would have achieved this as a multi party democracy that requires consensus building that would not be necessary in either the USSR or China? Particularly as a nation with 123 languages, 30 of which have over a million speakers. Would you say democracy was a poor choice for India?
How would you propose India would have achieved this as a multi party democracy
By not being a bourgeois democracy. It's exactly what I'm saying. Having a bourgeois democracy in which all partied represent capitalists (with the exception of Kerala, the province in India with a communist party in power and first to eliminate extreme poverty) is a hurdle to development. If India had had a communist revolution the way China or the USSR did, hundreds of millions of lives would have been spared from poverty.
Perhaps. Theres no way to know for certain but one wonders whether India would have remained India if that were how things played out. My suspicion is there would have been civil war and India would have broken up into 3 or 4 nations.
Kerala achieved remarkable progress in human development with land reform, workers protections, environmental protections and investments in public health and education. But the Kerala of today struggles with lagging industrial output and unemployment. A large amount of economic investment comes from remittances. The people are educated, and healthy, but can't find work in their home state so they leave to another state, the middle east or the West and send money home to their family from there. Reform is desperately needed for the state to become more business friendly.
Oh cool. Glad they provided a linked source that we can’t read.
Images of text posts still suck.
On one hand, thanks for finding it?
On the other, OC here ain't wrong
Neither statement is incorrect. Not sure why anyone is bothered enough about this to down vote it.
I’ve read this before and the proposed ‘decent living standards’ will likely leave a lot to be desired.

Yeah I’ve read it before and 60m2 living space for 4 people is tiny, the clothing allocation is on the low end depending on work and climate and you didn’t include the number of times per week they say a person would shower… which was 2 times.
The water allocated really doesn’t go as far as you’d think. Most efficient showers are 9L/minute. Then you have your drinking water, clothes washing, food prep, cleaning, dishwashing… plants, pets. 50L doesn’t go far.
100kg of clothes washing a year is disgustingly low btw
Yeah 60m2 is absolutely tiny for a whole family
Seeing the chart that was posted from it, only if you're approaching it from a really wealthy perspective. Keep in mind this is for literally every human on the planet-many of whom are sharing and still starving.
You don't need a stove and oven and microwave and toaster and air fryer and induction cooktop and two and a half cars per person and the bicycle you don't use or the exercise equipment and the slap chop and the ninja or the fucking second fridge in the garage where you keep all the sports equipment that's degrading every day into uselessness that never gets you know, used. God forbid you share with your neighbors. They might have cooties. Have to buy your own shit, brand new, full retail, with the bullshit insurance package
I've been living on my bicycle for a few months now, and honestly. What a single person actually needs is so vanishingly small it's disgusting we let anyone go hungry or cold.
It's odd that schools and hospitals are listed by area and not capabilities though. I don't give a shit if it's a golf course sized hospital, I want them to have supplies, equipment, and people trained to properly use them.
Too hard to put an easy number on? What stats are disparate in a plastic surgery suite vs an inner city gunshot wound floor? Tbh, I'd rather be treated at the latter, they've had more practice
only if you’re approaching it from a really wealthy perspective
I disagree, I'm viewing it as someone whose family was living paycheck to paycheck in a developed nation. I've been poor, and my family has been poor. Some of my extended family are still poor... entirely due to their own failings. While I am much wealthier now I'm also generally frugal outside of a couple of hobbies.
Worldwide poverty is not the result of individuals 'failing' to share with their neighbours. Its not even a consumerist problem.
Ask yourself why some countries have been able to go from poor and undeveloped to wealthy developed nations, and others have failed.
It is an institutional problem stemming from those countries Governments, either due to conflict, corruption, lower economic freedom (ability to own, move and sell property, goods and labour), low trust in institutions and poor policies.
In only a few cases do we see outside drivers of conflict and natural disaster setting back these countries... they are the exception and not the rule.
.... And?
We can always give a little more. Plus what do you think the other 70% is doing?
Plus what do you think the other 70% is doing?
What, do you think it’s just evaporating? What do you think is happening in the current economic model?
Your question betrays how deeply you don’t understand economics.
they could have shared nothing at all, other people are often nice enough to search and post a link in the comments
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But the world exists to satisfy the every growing ambitions of the people who can gain control of those resources. They don't exist for humanity, life or the planet, but for the egos of the powerful. /s, but not really
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It's false that it requires planning. It only requires UBI.
While I support a UBI, it would also require planning. A UBI without pegging it to the cost of living, without price controls, and without significant changes to our policy around labor would be mind-boggingly bad.
"If you give people a 1000 dollars landlords will just charge 1000 more" is bullshit for a few reasons, but with that large a change to the entire economy it would dramatically change the way our society functions. We need to ensure that we do not accidently step into a position in which we replace poverty wages and automation of work with poverty UBI and automation of work. If the work is being automated, we, the workers, those upon whose back this entire civilization has been built, deserve to see the fruits of that labor. We need drastic change to the way this works, and a UBI is a not-insignificant part of that, but it is only part of it.
A UBI without pegging it to the cost of living, without price controls, and without significant changes to our policy around labor would be mind-boggingly bad.
Andrew Yang's branding of UBI as freedom dividend was useful in addressing those issues, because it's no longer about basic, and more about a shared dividend in prosperity, with tax revenue going up with inflation and profit growth, and so dividends going up along side it. UBI is a change in labour policy without planning: The freedom to say no to work, means better quality job offers. The less anyone else wants to work, the easier it is for anyone who wants to, to be rich.
We need drastic change to the way this works, and a UBI is a not-insignificant part of that, but it is only part of it.
It's actually all of it. If your labour is not needed, and profits happen anyway, then we all get a share of that. There is always entrepreneurship, education, retraining to pursue useful contributions to society.
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