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I’ve read this before and the proposed ‘decent living standards’ will likely leave a lot to be desired.
Yeah I’ve read it before and 60m2 living space for 4 people is tiny, the clothing allocation is on the low end depending on work and climate and you didn’t include the number of times per week they say a person would shower… which was 2 times.
The water allocated really doesn’t go as far as you’d think. Most efficient showers are 9L/minute. Then you have your drinking water, clothes washing, food prep, cleaning, dishwashing… plants, pets. 50L doesn’t go far.
100kg of clothes washing a year is disgustingly low btw
Yeah 60m2 is absolutely tiny for a whole family
You say “only 30%” like wars haven’t been fought over that level of taxation.
This would be a serious decline in living standards for the people actually doing all the production.
"The people doing the production." Which ones are those? The ones mining resources for far less than this amount? The people living well above this standard are largely doing it off the back of exploiting people living far below this standard.
The most productive people are the ones living in countries with much higher standards of living than what is put forward here.
I’m thrilled you picked miners as an example because Australian miners produce far higher output than those in poor nations.
You might counter with the fact that it’s just machinery and more modern mining practices that makes them vastly more productive but that is exactly the point.
The poorer countries don’t have these tools because they lack good policies, stability and economic freedom (which not murican freedom).
It is simple, no farmer, miner or factory worker in a wealthy nation will want to give up 30% of their output.
Seeing the chart that was posted from it, only if you're approaching it from a really wealthy perspective. Keep in mind this is for literally every human on the planet-many of whom are sharing and still starving.
You don't need a stove and oven and microwave and toaster and air fryer and induction cooktop and two and a half cars per person and the bicycle you don't use or the exercise equipment and the slap chop and the ninja or the fucking second fridge in the garage where you keep all the sports equipment that's degrading every day into uselessness that never gets you know, used. God forbid you share with your neighbors. They might have cooties. Have to buy your own shit, brand new, full retail, with the bullshit insurance package
I've been living on my bicycle for a few months now, and honestly. What a single person actually needs is so vanishingly small it's disgusting we let anyone go hungry or cold.
It's odd that schools and hospitals are listed by area and not capabilities though. I don't give a shit if it's a golf course sized hospital, I want them to have supplies, equipment, and people trained to properly use them.
Too hard to put an easy number on? What stats are disparate in a plastic surgery suite vs an inner city gunshot wound floor? Tbh, I'd rather be treated at the latter, they've had more practice
I disagree, I'm viewing it as someone whose family was living paycheck to paycheck in a developed nation. I've been poor, and my family has been poor. Some of my extended family are still poor... entirely due to their own failings. While I am much wealthier now I'm also generally frugal outside of a couple of hobbies.
Worldwide poverty is not the result of individuals 'failing' to share with their neighbours. Its not even a consumerist problem.
Ask yourself why some countries have been able to go from poor and undeveloped to wealthy developed nations, and others have failed.
It is an institutional problem stemming from those countries Governments, either due to conflict, corruption, lower economic freedom (ability to own, move and sell property, goods and labour), low trust in institutions and poor policies.
In only a few cases do we see outside drivers of conflict and natural disaster setting back these countries... they are the exception and not the rule.
.... And?
We can always give a little more. Plus what do you think the other 70% is doing?
What, do you think it’s just evaporating? What do you think is happening in the current economic model?
Your question betrays how deeply you don’t understand economics.
This comment made me chuckle.
Thanks. I need that.