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An article from this weekend that seemingly got buried by soundbites about the Steam Machine price in the same interview, but given that we have no information on price, this seems way more interesting to me. I mean...I basically self-select games that don't use these kinds of anti-cheat at all, but this is important information for a lot of people, especially if you're looking for an off-ramp from Windows and still want to play some of the most popular live service titles.

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[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Still not going to convince some stubborn hold outs like the rust guy. Nothing will ever convince them.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

The market will - and it'd be foolish to underestimate the forces valve will spark by making viable alternatives mass market.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I wouldn't expect the Machine to be any more popular than the Deck, which already wasn't enough to convince holdouts. In fact I would bet the Machine will sell much less than the Deck, since that had a more unique niche carved out for it.

[–] Jeffool@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I think the hope isn't that "maybe this will be big enough", but "maybe together they'll be big enough". Who knows, though. It got a lot of hype on reveal but people are fickle sometimes.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I would not be surprised if the work they're doing here would be compatible with the Deck. It was just less of a priority for a handheld than a living room machine.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If devs want to support one, it'll be no problem to support the other. But I doubt devs who already refused to support one will suddenly change their minds.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Here’s aiming to be hopeful…

I remember back when playing DRM video in a web browser on an open source operating system seemed like a worrying impossibility. Many sites stayed stuck on closed-source flash players for that reason alone. It was a while before we ended up with this solution I only partly understand - where the DRM decoding is handled through some kind of trusted block, that generally doesn’t have full OS control?

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do you get full HD video from streaming services these days? Last I checked, the best of them only top out at 720p without Windows.

[–] alk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I get 4k with Firefox on cachyOS

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Interesting. Did this happen recently? When all of the streaming services starting raising prices, I started cancelling. Which ones give you full HD? Do you need to go out of your way to get there, or will regular old Firefox do the trick? Does it need TPM enabled or anything like that? I was looking to re-up Amazon Prime in the very near future, but when watching on my web browser, a show like Vox Machina was just a blur factory, and it was easier to pirate the show than it was to stream it legitimately.

[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

If Valve can make wireless vr AND fix windows only anticheat, both next year, I'm going to be 10 different kinds of happy. I would love to basically never need my W11 SSD ever again.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Surprised they (Denuvo, etc - not Valve) don't just hard require SELinux.

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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I consider it to be a function of when I grew up with video games and how my family restricted them broadly, but I have honestly never understood the appeal of competitive online games that require intense anti-cheat controls.

I grew up playing largely single player games, and the few online games I payed were limited to ones I played in private lobbies with friends i knew.

Any game that requires this level of policing for competitive play is an instant turn off for me. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I have no problem with a console that doesn't support kernel level anticheat- to the contrary i find it to be a huge advantage

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I get what drove us here. When you find a game that speaks to you and it's got a ranked mode with good matchmaking, it's easy to get lost in match after match, and cheaters can take the wind out of your sails. My competitive games of choice are fighting games, which are mostly free of cheaters and this invasive anti-cheat, but I'll be bummed if it becomes the norm, because I won't participate in that.

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[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago

Modern machines have TPM so we can do attested boot and validate a system hasn't been tampered with. They don't need third party kernel modules to test that.

[–] Matty_r@programming.dev 3 points 3 days ago

I really hope it won't be a case of requiring a Steam Machine with SteamOS on there for this to work.

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