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Why do I want this? There are already many browsers available, and this one isn't even (apparently: yet) FOSS, so why should I be excited about this one?
There are only four browser engines running all the the different browsers. Each engine controlled by a massive company. Each company tries to capture user data with their default offering.
Orion browser claims it will i be different but that is currently just a claim.
Even the title says it's webkit based
That page only lists browser engines it thinks are "notable", which is not the same as viable. Microsoft stopped developing its own engines when it moved Edge to Blink.
Currently there are four viable browser engines (still being developed and capable of displaying enough sites with enough accuracy to make a plausible daily driver) in two families: WebKit and its fork Blink, and Gecko and its fork Goanna. Goanna is not corporate. In addition, there are some experimental engines, like Ladybird's.
I won't deny that the situation is dire, but it isn't quite as bad as you've painted it. Yet.
Isn’t this why ladybird exists?
If it's WebKit-based, it is still using one of those four engines owned by large companies...the engine isn't the selling point. As I read it, Orion is to Safari as Brave is to Chrome.
Narrator: "It won't go well"
Haha well at least we know that they're still actively working on it!
That's all I can think of when I hear/read "if all goes well"
This is kind of dope. Used Orion on macOS and it was pretty slick. Uses both Firefox and Chrome extensions.
Probably won’t be as popular on Linux.
Distrust everything by Kagi, they are the shadowy "private" company there is, it's just propaganda.
Care to elaborate?
Basically everything being said here. They don't offer the source code of quite a few of their apps, they have very delirious ideas about what is identifiable information, they are trying to jump into the AI bandwagon, they don't seem to have a serious plan to keep financing all the things they are doing, the dude wants to do some filtering of news based on "biased" "unbiased", doesn't listen to critique from users, etc.
I will follow-up on your link later but let me first just thank you sincerely for backing up your opinion. I appreciate it and hope to learn something.
Almost certainly just somebody that distrusts all business by default.
I am all for holding business to account but can we not acknowledge that much of what we love in our lives would not be possible without business?
Kagi is not my friend or anything but they seem like a pretty decent company to me. I have seen no reason to be so cynical about them.
but can we not acknowledge that much of what we love in our lives would not be possible without business?
It could be better.
A search company which requires an account with your actual email? And doesn't accept anonymous payments?
It's fine as one of the options, but if there's no option for tokenized identity (that's easy to change when the plan runs out) and anonymous payments, it's a data collecting operation like any other.
See Mullvad and PPQ for how it's done correctly.
Kagi actually does have an anonymous authentication option. https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-privacy-pass
Glad that they added it, it wasn't there when I tested them. Why does such a simple thing require a browser extension though
Because it’s not private if it needs that level of access.
I'm interested where this comes from too. Is it just because they aren't a FOSS project?
I'd rather pay for search, than to be the product of a search engine. Self-hosting a decent index is much harder than it seems. Kagi aren't ontologically evil in the same way as Google or Microsoft so I think it's the best option.
Really im just waiting for ladybird. I use safari on my apple devices because of battery life and Zen on Linux and Mac devices for ublock and foss. I’m ngl every time I use a chrome based browser though I’m reminded how websites are supposed to work everything is about 1 billion times faster. I sure hope ladybird will allow me to finally not browser hop / hate my browser. There’s no need for new browsers that aren’t foss at this point.
If you want a Webkit-based browser just use GNOME Web (formerly known as Epiphany).
...yes because that's the only defining feature of this browser.