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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 42 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who the fuck asked for a Firefox AI browsing mode?

[–] zib@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Dunno, but I'll be asking for a way to completely disable it.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago

Probably LibreWolf.

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 months ago

Which they will provide without being asked for it.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What the fuck does that even mean, "AI browsing"?

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Prolly like if you look up something that doesn't actually exist, it'll find you results anyways.

This ought to be fun for Rule 34...

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There is an AI browser war going on right now, see Comet (Perplexity), Atlas (ChatGPT), Claude AI Agent from Chrome etc.

They work by letting the AI continuously see everything your browser can see, such as your emails, banking details, financial habits, online shopping accounts, etc.

By doing so, they promise to be better digital assistants, so that you ask just ask the browser to do tasks such as online shopping, booking holidays, etc.

Even ignoring the severe privacy concerns, AI browsers are significantly prone to prompt injection. That is, any random webpage with hidden text can override the instructions you give it to carry out malicious attacks.

[–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

Thanks for the explanation. I hate it.

[–] riskable@programming.dev -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Today, when you search for something you get a handful of ads, SEO-optimized bullshit, and maybe the 6th link will be what you were actually looking for.

When you tell the AI agent (in your browser) to search for something, not only do you get the most relevant results (because you can make your prompt vastly more specific and detailed), you completely skip all that other stuff that you didn't want.

I've been saying for some time now that AI is going to kill free search engines because it's such a better way to search for stuff. Free search engines like Google and SEO-optimizing companies are hindrances to efficient browsing and drowning the web in bullshit. Poisoning search results.

An AI agent will skip past all that stuff and give you just what you want; you never see any ads!

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

An AI agent will skip past all that stuff and give you just what you want; you never see any ads!

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[–] riskable@programming.dev -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You've obviously never used an open source AI model (running locally on your PC) if you think that's how it'd go.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Likewise, a properly set up and locally hosted searx instance should not be returning ads and "SEO-optimized bullshit". You're comparing "free" corporate owned services to privately owned ones. OFC corporate owned is going to feed you ads.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

The takeaway here is: Open source doesn't suffer from enshittification.

Learn and contribute to FOSS or stop bitching 🤣

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's assuming the AI won't look at the results and still make shit up. I've used AI-assisted search and i know that it's not reliable.

[–] riskable@programming.dev -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ok how would that work:

find me some good recipes for hibachi style ginger butter

AI model returns 10 links, 4 of which don't actually exist (because it hallucinated them)? No. If they didn't exist, it wouldn't have returned them because it wouldn't have been able to load those URLs.

It's possible that it could get it wrong because of some new kind of LLM scamming method but that's not "making shit up" it's malicious URLs.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If they didn’t exist, it wouldn’t have returned them

And yet I've had Bing's Copilot/ChatGPT (with plugins like Consensus), Gemini, and Perplexity do exactly that, but worse. Sometimes they'll cite sources that don't mention anything related to the answer they've provided because the information they're giving is based on some other training data they can't source. They were asked to provide a source, but won't necessarily give you the source. Hell, sometimes they'll answer an adjacent just to spit out an answer--any answer--to fulfill the request.

LLMs are simply not the appropriate tool for the job. This is most obvious when you need the specificity and accuracy.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah... The big commercial models have system prompts that fuck it all up. That's my hypothesis, anyway.

You have to try it with an open source model. You tell it to turn the titles, URLs, and nothing else. That seems to work fantastic 👍

I'm doing it with Open WebUI and ollama cloud which is open source models that you could run locally—if you have like $5,000 worth of hardware.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Interesting. I have a couple automations in mind, I'll have to try it out, then.

[–] JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ah yes, because there's no way the programmers won't induce bias in their AIs

[–] riskable@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

If you don't like your current open source AI, just use a different one or an embedding that works around whatever bias you don't like. Maybe open a ticket?

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Ewww. Talk about being tone deaf with their userbase…

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

With their user base, or with this particular social media bubble we're in right now?

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You probably already live in some sort of bubble if you're a Firefox user. Most people straight up don't care about the things Firefox offers, and what it offers (better privacy, a functioning extension system including adblockers) is diametrically opposed to using LLMs IMO.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You can have fully private AI, it can run locally on your own computer with no data leaving it. This is one of the things I'm looking forward to from Firefox AI support, since other browsers come from organizations that have their own AI they'd rather you use instead of local ones.

I have no idea how this would interfere with the extension system, or adblockers in particular. They're completely separate things.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I suppose it's fundamentally an issue of trust, and in recent years Mozilla did a lot to erode that. Even if an AI could theoretically be private and local, I'm not willing to believe that it's actually going to be.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 4 months ago

Firefox is open source, you can see for yourself what it's doing. You don't have to trust them.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 13 points 4 months ago

Mozilla needs to die and be reborn under the wing of better management and community drive, because they seem to have been captured by money hungry fucks. They dont give a shit about opensource. It's just a pipe through which they can get Google money.

[–] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago

Are they jonesing for openai giving them another google-sized payout? Otherwise I don't get the rationale, the overlap of their users and people wanting ai browser is one freshman from California? Not to mention Firefox has nowhere near enough cash to burn on this thing to compete with AI companies doing the exact same thing.

(obligatory "ai, ew")

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 11 points 4 months ago
[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

And it's gonna be shiiit

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They made a version of windows after 2000?

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, that's Windows 11 - older version than 2000. The good one was 1736.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 4 points 4 months ago

Fun fact about 1736, it was the birth year of Patrick Henry, who famously said “Give me liberty, or give me death!”

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if I could use this to just browse for me. like 24 hour, round the clock browsing. see a link, click the link. see an ad, click the ad.

just really fuck up all their metrics.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Auto-clicking ads to fuck up metrics is already a thing: https://adnauseam.io/

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

true, but it wouldn't fuck up Mozilla's metrics.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Ah, I thought that "they" referred to ad corporations...

[–] leo@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 2 points 4 months ago

You're on to something here.

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 6 points 4 months ago

You can ask it anything... Ask it to fuck off.

[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

i like mullvad's browser

[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago
[–] Gnugit@aussie.zone 2 points 4 months ago

Uninstalled