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Hey trans fems!! I've had my doses for ages, but I've been too consumed with life to worry about trying them. I just got news that my chapter of life is going to be changing soon, and I really wanted to try them during my current stride. So I've decided that just for one day I'm going to give it a shot to see how it makes my brain feel, and I'm going to do a proper two week test run another time. What can I expect from the first day? Any things to be concerned about? Is it possible that this derails my productivity or something strange for the first day?

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[–] irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Won't have immediate effects. It's a slow process. These hormones don't have a lot of direct effects on the body, they affect other hormones and other bodily functions. Even two weeks probably will have very little effect. You need several months for emotional changes and breast growth to start up.

Also are you just taking estradiol or also an androgen blocker. General guidance now is to avoid androgen blockers at first and test testosterone levels to see if your body slows production of them. Androgen blockers have side effects, but without them the changes may take more time. And if you use them, generally your body adapts and you can't stop using them until maybe after bottom surgery. But you may have to use them if your body doesn't switch from androgen to estrogen production as the primary on its own which can be caused by both genetic and/or environmental factors. For me I may actually need supplementation of testosterone, because even before my bottom surgery, and without anti-androgen I don't have enough. You need a balance and it takes time for that to happen. I'm over a year and still not fully stabilized.

Anyway,

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

But you may have to use them if your body doesn’t switch from androgen to estrogen production as the primary on its own which can be caused by both genetic and/or environmental factors

just to clarify, the body doesn't switch from androgen to estrogen production - what happens is sufficient exogenous estrogen tells the brain there are sufficient sex hormones, and shuts down sex hormone production; if the sex hormones drop low enough, the brain knows to turn production back on - but it will still produce testosterone rather than estrogen ... unfortunately there is no way (currently) to make testes produce female levels of estrogen or to stop producing male levels of testosterone 😞

So the goal is instead to get the body to stop producing male sex hormones by taking enough female sex hormones.

General guidance now is to avoid androgen blockers at first and test testosterone levels to see if your body slows production of them. Androgen blockers have side effects, but without them the changes may take more time.

I think the desire to avoid androgen blockers is likely only relevant for people who opt to try monotherapy - that's a missing component of what you are advocating; typical doses of estrogen that would be taken with anti-androgens will be much lower than necessary for monotherapy, and probably wouldn't be enough on their own to shut down testosterone production.

Also, OP mentioned they have been prescribed anti-androgens and oral estrogen particularly, meaning the dose they were given is probably low, and is in a form that won't work well for monotherapy - so to follow your advice they would probably have to change to injections as a route of administration.

However, you can take anti-androgens and oral estrogen - probably most trans girls in the U.S. take this route, and it's the default way doctors handle transition here (not that I think it's a particularly good way to go about it - it has lots of side effects and less / slower feminization with consistently low E levels, but I think doctors are afraid of monotherapy because they are afraid of high estrogen levels increasing risk of strokes based on some studies done on Premarin; though I don't know why they aren't also afraid of spironolactone causing heart problems, which at least has more evidence behind it than bioidentical estrogen causing strokes).

[–] irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Actually that understanding is totally being reevaluated. Anecdotally, my case is a good example, but far from unusual. I never took anti-androgens and my testosterone production significantly reduced once my estrogen levels started to raise. While still only using 1 patch, twice weekly for a few months, my testosterone dropped from around an average of 400-500ng/dL to 46ng/dL. My estradiol levels at that time were still in the low 100pg/mL range. Prior to my surgery I had moved up tp using 3 patches my to bring my estradiol levels to the low 200pg/mL on average and my testosterone dropped to around 10ng/dL.

I did misspeak a bit. You're body will consider one or the other to be your "primary" hormone and will prioritize production of that and deprioritize production of the other. But all bodies do produce both through various means. And in fact estradiol is essential to male sexual development. Just non-intersex, "average" bodies are not capable of producing as much of the opposite. But if the balance of hormones changes, most people's bodies will switch, but just be unable to maintain the balance if the imbalance was caused by supplementation.

There is not a hard male/female separation in any species with genders and never has been. Hormones, genetics, hormone intolerance, and many, many other factors play into what genitals we get at birth and what hormones we make and his efficiently we use them. The x/y chromosomes have a little to do with initial selection of "primary" hormone and thus genital creation in the womb, but if the body can't uptake testosterone effectively, then having a Y chromosome will not produce male genitals and the body will default to a more female configuration and produce estrogen primarily. It's one reason the "biological sex" fanatics don't actually want people to get their chromosomes tested. It would destroy their narrative to find out just his common it is for AFAB people to have Y chromosomes, vice versa, or totally different configurations outside of people traditionally classified as intersex.

My point on taking anti-androgens before knowing if you need them is because these are uptake inhibitors and your body us still producing the hormone, but you aren't using it, do your body produces more, etc. This means, until your testicles are removed, it's often too late to switch to estrogen-only if you start with anti-androgens. But it's still not understood how common it is to need them or not, and drug companies refuse to test any hormone therapy for trans people, which is why it's always "off-label" use, so studies rely primarily on existing data and volunteers and takes decades to compile.

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 days ago

I started HRT about a year ago, so the experience is somewhat fresh in the mind. The main thing I would say is don't expect to feel much in just two weeks. The effects are cumulative, and take time to do much of anything.

It doesn't really feel different to be on estrogen. You can't actively feel your own hormone levels. The HRT made my brain feel much happier, but normal. Things just continued to feel normal, but a better normal. Even a new and good normal still feels like normal in the moment.

Since you're doing a short trial to see how your brain feels, take notes. Write a journal/diary, and have a close friend you talk to about how you're feeling. That perspective will help track mental changes.

Also have warm clothes close by. Women carry body heat in their cores at the expense of the extremities. HRT causes this in trans women too! You will probably feel colder than you expect, especially this time a year. Keep warm gloves, and cozy socks nearby.

Enjoy the estrogen! I love to hear you report back with your experience.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I wouldn't expect anything, tbh - that's far too little time to feel much (other than placebo). It should also be mentioned that a lot of people don't feel anything at all, even after weeks or months.

When I injected estrogen for the first time it took a few hours before I was certain I was feeling anything different at all; that night (many hours after my injection) I remember sitting on the couch and I felt a difference in my body - a kind of buzzing awareness around my breasts and hips, which didn't feel obviously pleasant or good, it was just there; it took three days for my estrogen to rise to the point that my brain shut down testosterone production, and it was then that I finally experienced literal euphoria (it was like taking opiates, I wanted to lie in my bed and just bask in the high), and that's when I knew it was "right" for me, or at least whether I was trans or not, I would want to continue taking estrogen just based on how happy it made me feel. I'm not even sure half of the trans girls I know IRL report these kinds of experiences, though it's not uncommon it's also not guaranteed.

That first injection was 0.25 mL of estradiol valerate (EV) in oil, and the concentration was 20 mg / mL, so I had injected 5 mg. EV has a half-life of around 3.5 days when injected subcutaneously (subq) or intramuscularly (IM).

But I assume you have pills from the way you're talking about taking them for a single day, and in that case I wouldn't expect much at all - your body won't have a chance to switch from testosterone dominance to estrogen dominance. As an aside, pills in general are not great, >80% of the estrogen is filtered by your liver, and your blood estrogen levels spike and then go back down quickly in a matter of hours so there is no stable or sustained blood estrogen levels.

Gel, patches, and injections are preferable alternatives (without anti-androgens, injections are the best for doses high enough to suppress testosterone with just the estrogen, what is called "monotherapy"; monotherapy is harder to achieve with gel and patches). Sublingual can be better than oral, but in practice it has similar problems (particularly with spikey metabolism).

Recommended reading: https://transfemscience.org/articles/transfem-intro/

[–] CombatWombat1212@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

what about feelings in the first 2 weeks? i'm worried about being a little bit distracted, or fatigued, or something like that while trying to do my work

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Your mileage may vary, but in my personal experience, estrogen gave me better mental clarity, more energy, and lifted depression and anxiety to an extent I didn't realize I had been suffering with my whole life (or more accurately since the start of puberty); that was happening within the first few months with depression lifting the fastest and anxiety lifting much later ... so based on my experience and the research that has confirmed the immense clinical benefits of medical transition, I highly recommended anyone who thinks they might be a trans woman to try injecting estrogen and seeing if it helps them as much as it helped me.

Transitioning is rough and stressful, and hormone fluctuations and figuring out the right dose is part of that stress, but overall transitioning made me a healthier, more balanced, and more productive person ... I'm not sure those changes will happen within two weeks, especially not with oral estrogen.

I don't know that your experiences with oral estrogen will be, as I mentioned they don't result in consistently elevated or stable estrogen blood levels, and I have never personally taken oral estrogen to compare.

Girls I know IRL who take oral estrogen have a variety of experiences, but anecdotally most of them have slower feminization and worse mood than girls I know who inject or use patches. I know one girl who does sublingual and had decent feminization. All of this is anecdotal and not generalizable, but what we know about oral estrogen was enough for me to avoid it, though I obviously would take it if there were no alternative. Taking 3 - 5 doses evenly spread out through the day might help achieve somewhat more consistent levels, but this is logistically challenging and needless when there are other options.

It should be mentioned I overcame severe needle phobia to inject estrogen, that's how significantly better that route of administration is. Also, injecting with very small and short needles (think insulin needles) into fat was the only way it was feasible for me, I am not sure I would have been able to inject IM with a longer or thicker needle.

To be honest, something about trying to take HRT for just a day, or just two weeks feels off to me - it takes time for the body and brain to adjust from testosterone dominance to estrogen dominance. You can't really squeeze that into tight timelines. Even after 3 months major changes are happening and I saw significant mood improvements at 4 - 6 months that weren't present before then (namely a dramatic reduction in intrusive generalized anxiety).

It's fine to try HRT on a trial basis, but I would just take it for 2 - 3 months and see how you feel. If it's working well for you, just continue; otherwise, that's when you would want to stop to avoid permanent breast growth that won't go away.

Trying to glean something out of a single day of HRT, or squeezing it into a two week period (which plausibly might give you some sense of whether it's right for you) just feels a bit misguided ... It takes a while to figure out a dose that works; to be honest I never figured the perfect dose, my biochemical dysphoria didn't go away until I was post-op a whole year later.

My advice is to start HRT and take it as long as you can up to the point of permanent changes, then make a judgement call on whether to continue or revert back. Usually it's clear for most people whether they want to continue early on, within a week or two.

This is made more complicated by the fact that spironolactone can cause depression and can be a bad time, so opting for anti-androgens and oral estrogen makes it less likely you will feel great. Others have a great time on oral estrogen and spiro (thinking of Mia Violet in particular), though that is unusual. Still, maybe you will get the information you need anyway. (Though, being real - cis men wouldn't usually consider taking estrogen voluntarily, which is probably part of why regret rates are so low - cis people just don't tend to think transitioning seems like a good idea. Estrogen only made clear that I liked being on estrogen, it didn't cure my denial or imposter syndrome.)

[–] CombatWombat1212@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Wow thanks for such a detailed answer! Yes you're right its an oral pill, but I have T blockers as well. Everything else you've said is totally applicable so thank you again!

[–] lwhjp@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As others have said, you're not going to notice anything right away. Why not start taking it regularly and let it cook while you focus on other things? A month or so down the road you'll probably realize you feel better than you ever have and don't want to stop.

[–] CombatWombat1212@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I wanted to freeze my sperm before starting properly:/ I know it's not 100% likely but I really worry about infertility because I want to have kids someday

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

it's smart to worry about infertility and to freeze sperm - I agree with panathea, get on that quick!

however, you should know not only is it not 100% you will be infertile while on estrogen, there's a good chance you will regain fertility if you pause HRT:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9873819/

There is a common untested assumption that this inhibition is permanent, resulting in infertility. In this longitudinal study, we report the recovery of viable spermatozoa in nine trans women who stopped GAHT for reproductive purposes. Our preliminary findings suggest that the negative impact of GAHT on spermatogenesis can be reversed, casting doubt on previous claims that GAHT in trans women inevitably leads to permanent infertility.

sample sizes are small and we can't generalize from such a small group - but it at least falsifies the common belief that HRT will make you permanently infertile, it seems like the opposite is true - that fertility is regained in the majority of observed trans women when they pause HRT.

[–] panathea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

Yes, get on that!