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This gets us to the central problem of today’s surveillance state. No one running the cameras wants to be observed. One reason that city officials object to releasing Flock data, for example, must that they themselves are among the recorded. The cameras are on them too; they too can be tracked. Everything means everything for these everywhere cameras.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 139 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“This is sensitive data that could do a lot of damage if it fell into the wrong hands”, said the people paying a for-profit company to collect the data

[–] LytiaNP@lemmy.today 136 points 1 month ago

“You mean we have to let the public use the services they’re paying for? Wtf!”

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 101 points 1 month ago (4 children)

That's how it is done.
If it is a public camera, it has to be a public record.
And if not, then anyone having access to the feed, has to have their whole life (both work and personal) be available as a public record.

If not, then you now have cases where most people can't afford to defend themselves from malicious cop allegations.
To prevent this, anyone arrested, pre-trial has to have access to all searches done by cops, related to the allegation and ability to pull-up 100% of their own footage anytime near the event in question.

If any part of the footage is deleted, due to "technical issues" like, "the footage was deleted" or "some of the cameras were not working", then the arrest is illegal and the police department is responsible for compensation.

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[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My friend and I look for these occasionally. They’re often deployed with default passwords and never updated. Many seem to be set up to case businesses and houses and appear to be obscured from view. It’s super great /s

[–] wolfiedafloof@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Any clever "google Dork" ways in finding these "flock" devices through eg Shodan?

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

And for anyone reading this, please contribute to the map when you find a camera irl that's not included

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 7 points 1 month ago

What's the default password? And how do you connect to it?

[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Something like 90% of houses in this area have some kind of camera on it. I hate being filmed by these shitheads 24/7.

[–] phar@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I'm one of those. Honestly it's great to have. Not sure about situations where a house is closer to the road, but mine doesn't record people on the sidewalk. You have to walk halfway up my driveway or more before it picks up on something to record. Helps me keep an eye on the stray cats that have a heated home on my porch, though.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was having catalytic converters stolen, and packages stolen, and even bridge toll trackers stolen. Then I added a bunch of lights and cameras. Now it doesn’t happen anymore. What am I supposed to do?

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Replace the cameras with dummy cameras, because like you said "It doesn't happen anymore."

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

And who cares. My cameras record do you know who sees 99% of it nobody. It just gets recorded over.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Yup. 1 day I just counted all the cameras on my way to get breakfast it was 57. And I'm sure I've missed many.

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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

TWO groups of conversation from this:

  1. Public cameras
  2. People having their own cameras on their own homes

Public cameras recording our private lives recorded MUST be fully regulated and accountable. Private cameras slightly more tricky. I take the view that self hosting options are the best option. We need more devices that just work for the lay person. RING (and similar) should be considered a shit-show for privacy rights.

[–] OR3X@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's why I installed an analog camera DVR system in my home. It cheap, reliable, locally hosted, and best of all I'm the only one with access. (Not counting the Chinese government via the mandated backdoor in the DVR firmware) it's great!

EDIT: formatting

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 points 1 month ago

I would never. Ever have a security camera for personal use that uses some kind of cloud-only server. If I need to use a cloud service for a backup that is one thing. But it will primarily be an internal offline recording. Wired setups are superior here.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I worry we give too much attention to one company over several that are problematic. Not that the attention is invalid, more that we need to keep every invasive technology in each other's awareness.

[–] chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It's at least setting legal precedent which makes it easier to fight against these.

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[–] wicked_samurai@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

"Give me the man and I will find the crime."

[–] Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

NY city is the most camera surveillance place on earth. Didn't make it much safer.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Is it NYC now? I remember it being London a while back, but considering the money, I wouldn't be surprised if it was NYC now.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah I remember UK was way ahead of the game on this and it was a big topic in the 2000s but maybe they got overtaken.

[–] colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

Would’ve expected Singapore to be up there

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

This. Citation needed

[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

If they panic, they better Release it.

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