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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It is true that she didn’t have enough time to put together a viable platform, but if Biden had dropped out early enough for her to develop a viable campaign and platform, that would have meant a primary, and it’s doubtful she would have won that primary.

Even if she had won that primary, it’s still doubtful that she would have assembled a viable platform and campaign. The political cliques she was aligned with were diametrically opposed to the kind of policies that would have made a viable platform.

A break from neoliberal politics was necessary. But basically all of the institutional pressure for Biden to drop out came from neoliberal diehards who were pissed at him for deviating from that line slightly, the age thing was mainly just an acceptable cover story for the insiders. Haris got her chance by appealing to those groups and thus she was never going to challenge those interests.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Oh she never in 100 years would have won a primary. She was like rank 8 of 10 in the 2020 primaries, people do not like her

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 44 minutes ago

The voting public didn’t care about her, but she had good connections with relevant instructional actors. That’s why she was relevant. People like trump will keep winning until the Democratic Party, as a political institution, cuts those neoliberal actors out of the coalition. If the party doesn’t, democracy will fail in America, or they will be replaced by some new party, or both.

People complaining about voters not choosing her over trump, or people not being motivated by voting for her, are just feeding in to that dark future. The only way out is standing up and demanding better candidates, refusing to accept the lesser of two evils.

[–] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I voted for her but don't like her.

Primarily, because of her stance on prison labor which is just slavery with extra steps.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, I voted for her too, as I would have voted for Biden or for a fucking Funko doll over Trump.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 16 points 14 hours ago (9 children)

The fact of the matter is in an election where [ANYONE] vs FASCIST is the choices..

YOU FUCKING VOTE FOR ANYONE.

I honestly don’t believe this is still a conversation!! My god you people are not just determined to repeat the mistakes of the past- you’re running headlong right towards it!

So fucking embarrassing.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 hours ago

The fact of the matter is in an election where [ANYONE] vs FASCIST is the choices…

Sorry Blue Maga, you will never win just because you are Hitler (D) vs Hitler.

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

No no it's somehow the left's fault... Not left enough, that might be true though.

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

It's hard to blame the voters in the light of recent events.

Voters just handed the Democrats an insane mandate. Ignoring the voters and caving in to the fascists a week later sends a very clear message, "We don't care about your vote."

Actions speak louder than words.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Of course there were many foolish voters out there but it's not good enough for a candidate to be not Donald Trump. The reality is that many people will stay home when they see dirty corporate politicians running for office. And you can blame the people all you want, but that doesn't change reality, and they'll still stay home.

I think what's embarrassing is your approach. You saw 2016 and 2024 and you still haven't learned from either of them. It turns out that people vote or don't vote for a variety of reasons, and a simplistic approach like yours is a failed approach.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world -5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

And you can blame the people all you want, but that doesn’t change reality, and they’ll still stay home.

The problem with this logic, is that these are the options you have, and the DNC doesn't care about this, so you, as not the DNC have 2 options. Support the democrats, or support trump.

All of the whining in the world won't change this.

I think what’s embarrassing is your approach. You saw 2016 and 2024 and you still haven’t learned from either of them.

Why are you talking to that other commenter as if they are the DNC? They're not the ones responsible for their political strategy.

and a simplistic approach like yours is a failed approach.

They're taking the only logical option within their locus of control, and you're acting like somehow they should have done what exactly?

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago

lol! Thanks! Needed this.

[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I’m gonna be devil’s advocate here for a moment. I followed Mamdani’s campaign closely and I think he nailed it on the spot. You had two politicians running whereas one lied that he’ll reduce prices and make America great again and the other.. did nothing for the most part. From the eyes of the average voter Kamala promised nothing but the status quo, and they wanted change. That’s how Dem strongholds flipped red during this election and how a lot of them went back to blue for the mid term elections. If she told her donors to get stuffed and worked for the working class instead of exploiting the working class she would’ve won.

What a mess we live in. Both options will fuck you over, only one of them will do it with lube.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 11 hours ago

It was a terrible campaign spoken to people who where/are hurting telling them they where actually in fact doing great.

It was worse then doing nothing, saying it was mostly nothing is being kind. Once again they just assumed they would win and forgot that people looking for any help will swallow lies over the safer status quo choice. That is why when the big man gamble blew up in their face they vote blue again. The real issue is this is why the dems never have to change, they don't even oppose the other side anymore, they just wait to have their turn.

Watching this mess is just infuriating, seeing the endless exceptionalism and team based bullshit more so.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 8 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

If you are in a nation that has only two choices and one is a FASCIST, you are in a fascist nation without real choice. You are once again embarrassing yourself to the rest of the world with this endless team based bullshit.

IF THERE IS ONLY ONE "CORRECT" CHOICE THEN THERE IS NO CHOICE!

This is what you all get when you turn your whole system into a fixed 2 headed hydra for years and years, but when you needed to stand up and change the system you all instead point fingers and blame instead of doing anything.

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