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Clean energy, largely wind and solar, have grown significantly over the last decade, due largely to policies by a range of countries, including China, Germany and the U.S.

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[–] ashughes@feddit.uk 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The chart for anyone who doesn’t want to visit Axios:

Ignoring that this chart is designed to minimize the scale of the problem, it doesn’t convey “progress being made on climate change” to me, rather “we’re still making things worse, but marginal progress might be realized in the future so long as no big emitters reverse course on policy”.

It’s not all doom and gloom though. The dip during Covid actually gives me hope. Hope that climate change will soon enforce upon us a systemic collapse on such a scale that we have no choice but to transform our society into one focused on community and wellbeing.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

It's something but if you rescale to 1940 values for example..

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I would love for us to fix climate change while not maintaining the same horrible systems that led to it.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

30 gt of co2 is the new aspirational net 0 :(. That is still 3ppm per year increase. Feedbacks likely to make it worse.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The cynic in me says way too much of this is simply natural gas being less expensive, with no environmental motivation. And even worse that it doesn’t account for methane leaks

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If progress is to happen under capitalism it will be due to market pressures, though. At least it has so far. (Most) people don't install solar panels on their houses to save the planet, they do it to save money. Now apply that to entire markets and nations.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Sure, but solar panels are an end goal. Natural gas is at best an intermediary goal that also established new fossil fuel infrastructure, and may be much worse for the environment than expected, depending on methane leaks

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who was projecting that global energy related CO2 emissions would increase from 34 gigatons to 50 gigatons between 2014 and 2040? Was that a reasonable projection? What was it based on? Is this evidence of "progress" or inaccurate projecting into the future?

I can project that the murder rate will increase 50% between now and 2050, and then when the murder rate only goes up 10% I can say, "omg, we've made such great progress on the murder rate," even though it still went up, because it didn't go up as much as I projected it would. But was my projection likely or even feasible in the first place?

[–] notabot@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From the article:

The top blue line shows what the IEA was predicting would happen with policies in place and under consideration back in 2014.

I haven't chased up the data myself, but that seems like a reasonable baseline to use.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is whose data they're using. The IEA has made notoriously bad predictions of renewable deployment. They're a body heavily entrenched in the fossil fuel and nuclear industries. This is why the progress reported in the original article isn't so. We're measuring against the projections of people opposed to renewables.

[–] notabot@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

Yes, that shows that the curve we're on is a distinct improvement against the 'no renewables added' baseline, which we'll get if we don't keep pushing. It's shows some progress, but it's also a warning that that progress is both fragile and insufficient. Even the lower projection, which shows emmisions decreasing is not enough. As they put it in the article it's bad vs. worse.

A bit of perspective, and arguably positivity, is no reason to slacken effirts, but a call to redouble them.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So, things are still getting worse but will somehow magically start to turn better in five years. So all is ok.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah but if we all work together and do our part we have a good chance to... Nevermind

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

The headline and graph are pretty misleading imo. The declining projection seems to indicate some kind of regression. Those are yearly emissions though. As soon as we use up earths CO2-budget, which is pretty soon, everything above 0 will have devastating consequences and they will worsen with every single day that the graph stays above 0. The headline stating "progress made" is also misleading in the way that it makes it seem as if we are somehow weakening climate change, but its just that we are accelerating climate change at a slightly lower rate than predicted. Also, if we take into consideration the predicted consequences of those enormous (predicted) emissions and compare them to current predicted consequences of the much lower emissions, we are still worse off than we thought we were. Its highly likely that we still underestimate the consequences of climate change.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Being a doomer about climate change doesn't help. We need to be realistic and take action in everything we do. People who think their actions do not make a difference are a part of the problem. Corporations hold a lot of blame, but also take some personal responsibility, you'll feel better by doing your part. How hard is it to not eat beef?

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago

With the prices of food. Its easier than ever before.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

To solve climate change, we need two fundamental beliefs:

  • There is an urgent problem
  • We are capable of taking meaningful action

This graph proves that we can take meaningful action. That proof is essential to our success.

I don’t understand the people who insist that while there is an urgent problem, we have never done anything to address it, we’re currently doing nothing to address, and we will never do anything to address it.

What is the point of that belief?

Perhaps the certainty of failure is more comforting than the vulnerability of working towards a success that isn’t guaranteed.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

It’s just the culture.

All my older relatives, all highly educated and secular/scientific, got like this watching Fox News. Any mention of climate change in a documentary or something triggers some really crude, dismissive joke because that’s the pattern.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don’t understand the mentality going towards accelerationism.

It’s like it’s somehow marginally better, or even more exciting, to see their home explode instantly in a ball of fire than to see it slowly catch fire in different rooms as the fire department gets held up in gridlock.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Playing devil's advocate, I can kind of see the theory.

People will happily get slow boiled, like a lobster in a pot.

But if an explosion happens right in front of their face, it gets them to pay attention (and maybe react before they’re fully boiled).

[–] can_you_change_your_username@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can see covid in that graph!

They said pollution reduced with so few planes flying.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

What I'm seeing:

The current trajectory is a downward trend, i.e. we are slowly going backwards (thanks to the orange turd)

We are WAYYYY behind the targets that we should be at and planned to be.

Not sure what's positive about that.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Check the axis labels again. I think you may have glanced at it too quickly before replying.

[–] Flagstaff@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Avoiding the blue line, which would kill us much faster, is positive. Why be a negative Nancy?

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

Because the other option is to be delusional Dave.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Oh great! We are still fucked, still missing all the targets, still killing the planet, just a little bit slower. Good to know! Nothing to worry about then! 🥳

"Planed is being killed slow enough that it will be the next generation's problem, so nothing to worry about" - boomer idiots

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I think that in their mind, anything short of being incredibly rude is telling everyone not to worry. They've kind of told everyone that they only believe in a world of binaries. Either you demand 100% climate crisis aversion despite how impossible that is, or you're telling everyone not to care about the climate.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What a perfect distillation of why everyone is depressed as fuck. Even when mildly good news comes out, it's rejected and shit on. Would've been possible to understand there are multiple levels of being fucked but don't let that get in the way of being miserable and trying to reinforce the misery of others.

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Being angry has its place, happy people don't protest, content people don't change their surrounding.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Trust me, I'm angry. I don't know why it is so hard to see something like that and not think "oh well at least it's slightly better than I thought". But no. Gotta be a binary thinking troglodyte. It's either perfect or it's shit. Nothing in between.

[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I do not see any organizing (or even good agitating) in these comments. Looks like people having a doom attack (or having fun signaling to their in group).

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What's positive about missing all the targets?

It's like those stupid participation trophies. Even if you fail miserably, you still get a participation trophy.

Celebrating this, will give people false impressions that we are actually okay and on target, WHICH WE ARE NOT.

WE ARE STILL FUCKED.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If you think a graph that shows a degree of positive change is nothing, there's nothing you would accept short of avoiding the climate crisis entirely. Which is clearly impossible at this point.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Impossible?? Why?

There is a big difference between can't and won't.

I believe it is possible, if we kill the politicians and billionaires and change the system. Unlikely? Maybe. Impossible? NO.

I also believe there are less destructive paths to solving the climate crisis, but we need the billionaires and politicians to work together to solve this.

Instead, what is happening currently is all the billionaires and politicians working AGAINST solving it! Just look at what the Trump admin is saying regarding climate change and how they are tearing up all the agreements to reduce the emissions.

We are going backwards, and you are delusional if you don't see it.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

You should focus on what could actually be done versus telling strangers that having 1% faith things might get better makes them a delusional moron who is at fault for "celebrating". I'm done here.

[–] Flagstaff@programming.dev -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm in my 30s, not a boomer, nor an idiot. I am probably more eco-conscious than you if I had to guess. I literally own a solar panel, 2 power stations, and a PHEV (I drive like a turtle intentionally to maximize the battery's longevity and coast and avoid coming to a complete stop as often as possible between destinations), and have shamelessly, openly criticized people at my workplace who misuse/ignore our recycling procedures.

What I'm saying is that we can only do so much, and there's no point in living your life in nonstop negativity. I know that I am doing my part so I will be actively happy about that. Your only defense to step back further is to tell me to join the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHEM), to which I say: sure, but you first.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah, this is not gonna be solved by individuals like you when just 100 companies are responsible for 71% percent of emissions. So even if every single individual on the planet will make their emissions net zero, it will STILL not be enough to save the climate.

This is something that needs to be solved by billionaires and politicians.

So no, I will not be happy and positive when we are fucked.

Enjoy living in your bubble thinking that your solar panels are helping at all. This is propaganda pushed by the billionaires to make people like you feel better when everything is actually going to shit.

So much more can be done and achieved by electing the right politicians and pushing them to do what needs to be done. And by stopping propaganda like this article that seemingly convinced half the people here that we are doing fine!

[–] Flagstaff@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

So much more can be done and achieved by electing the right politicians and pushing them to do what needs to be done.

Are you assuming that I am not doing that, too?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Going higher (up) in the graph means more tons of carbon emitted, i.e. worse things done to the climate.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I think they were not referring to the graph butto current politics

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This attitude is why everthing is shit. Spiting progress for perfection.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

And they get upvoted for spreading gloom, we get downvoted for pushing back against blind negativity whatsoever. I'm having another "I should probably leave Lemmy" day

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Confidently incorrect