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[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 1 points 16 minutes ago

Can't wait to see all the dogshit .ml opinions on this

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Liberal doomerism based on imaginary restrictions, how new.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

it's not just imaginary, humans thrived of mutual cooperation for tens of thousands of years while capitalism has only existed for a few hundred, but somehow that it's became the default position of everyone.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I wouldn't call pre-capitalist society "thriving on mutual cooperation" and neither would Marx. It was different, yeah, but ultimately still exploitative for most people. Consider that Tsarist Russia was still largely pre-capitalist (in the transition to being a capitalist economy) and that this fact led to a lot of debate among socialist and communist thinkers during the leadup to the Russian Revolution because Marx himself believed that Capitalism was a necessary stepping stone to Communism. But yet, people still felt conditions were bad enough that they revolted, killed everyone in charge, and instituted socialism. Even going back to the bronze age shit was pretty brutal. Read about how kings dealt with disobedience back then and it would make anyone today seem like a saint.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Yes. I am pointing that out. That is the imaginary thing.

"Somehow," looks behind us at five centuries of European settler-colonialism.

"Everyone," looks ahead at the millions of people who defy hegemonically enforced constructions of human nature despite the overwhelming power those systems possess.

[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Welcome to todays episode of criticizing things you haven't read:

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 hours ago

and won't read. lol

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago

Capitalism doesn't work, and it's for the same reason.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It used to be human nature. Nowadays it's nothing more than social engineering that teaches us what is up is down and what isn't, is.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 14 hours ago

that's human nature

[–] redti@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 day ago

Marx didn't forgot such thing he refuted it. No such thing as " human nature "

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 59 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Observing humans in capitalism and assuming greed is just human nature is like observing humans on the Titanic and assuming drowning is human nature.

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[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 76 points 1 day ago (30 children)

You know that humans lived in communal societies for a long fuckin time before all the bullshit we know today, right?

Human nature is not greed. That's capitalism.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Mesopotamians tracked agricultural debt on clay tablets in 3000 BC

[–] PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

But have humans have never had a non-hierarchical large scaled society?

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago

This is kind of the elephant in the room that every large scale political/economic model like to ignore.

While I don't agree with a lot of what he writes about, Murray Bookchin makes some pretty persuasive arguments about how hierarchical structures themselves are an issue no matter what system theyre found.

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[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even if you assume human nature is greed, it's also human nature to have their babies eaten by wolves but I don't see anyone suggesting we should center our society on baby tossin' wolf pits.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Killing people who don't worship the same Gods as you, taking slaves from the neighboring city state, and having a harem of ~~sex slaves~~ "wives" are all "human nature" that have all been done since before we had the technology to record them all the way up to today. Should those be tolerated in modern society too? Hell no.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 0 points 7 hours ago

Dying from infections, cancer, accidents etc is also human nature.

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[–] myszka@lemmy.ml 72 points 1 day ago

Human nature on its deathbed when it realizes it forgot to account for Karl Marx

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