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Take B12. :vegan-edge:
This was on a post asking "Is veganism apolitical?" or something like that, I believe. This is an older picture someone else sent me.
Here is a follow-up comment she made after someone asked her if she is vegan:
"have been considering going vegetarian" wow what a commitment lol
"For the health benefits."
You can't make this shit up.
Wants to tell us how we should make the case for veganism but couldn't even convince herself.
cooks beans, racistly
God this shit pisses me off on so many levels.
First it's peformative tweetbrained nonsense.
Secondly it's bizarrely infantilising of innumerable peoples, as if white people are the only ones who ever looked at killing non human animals and went "idk about that". Not like there's thousands of years of recorded theological debate and shit from all around the world, with Europeans being somewhat late to the game here.
Thirdly she's a spineless wishywashy do nothing about it.
And fourth actually fuck you but international solidarity and a recognition that peoples' ways of life is being destroyed and will be destroyed in significant part due to the way the land is ravaged for animal ag is actually a significant motivator in going vegan. Like people's homes are going under fucking water because of climate change, people are forced into ever smaller and more degraded sections of the amazon to meet the rapacious desire for beef, huge swaths of land are claimed for farming unnecessarily, climate refugees grow in number and will continue to do so cut from their roots and vilified by the people who value McCheeseburgers over them.
There are racist vegans for sure, but the movement is significantly driven by solidarity and compassion and listening to others.
it's bizarrely infantilising of innumerable peoples, as if white people are the only ones who ever looked at killing non human animals and went "idk about that". Not like there's thousands of years of recorded theological debate and shit from all around the world, with Europeans being somewhat late to the game here.
Until reading this, I had a liberal take on culture and eating animal products. I felt I should not criticize eating meat in indigenous practices because they have meaning I don't know the depth of. But if many people of just about all cultures have been criticizing it yeah I can see how spiritual practices involving meat can and must shift because the world is dying. It's absolutely racist to claim people are helplessly stuck in meat eating ways and can't change because of their culture. It's more appropriate to say individual people are addicted to meat.
This is why consequentialism as a moral philosophy needs more attention in the modern age. Why you do a good act is so, so much less important than the act itself.
Some indigenous people's used to do human sacrifices. Is it racist to say that's wrong? This is such a dumb take.
CW: Religious violence, murder, racism, slavery
"The reason for respecting other cultures is to avoid doing harm to the people who live in them. But what if certain practices within the culture itself harm segments of the population? What claim, then, does the culture have to being above judgment? In South Africa, for instance, police are frequently dispatched to investigate muti killings, murders committed in order to present a traditional priest with a severed hand or genitals or heart so he can cure a disease or bring some business gain to a supplicant. 51 South African authorities seem to have zero tolerance for this sacred aspect of indigenous culture. Presumably so would the murder victims had they been given a say in the matter.
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"Furthermore, were not the slaveholders themselves cultural imperialists? They not only suppressed abolitionist dissent within their own society, but also built their 'Southern way of life' upon the labor of Africans who had been forcibly wrenched from their families, homelands, languages, and religions—that is, from their way of life."
-The Culture Struggle, Michael Parenti
The notion of animal personhood (which is inextricable from veganism) is incompatible with accepting animal exploitation on the basis of culture.