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If you ever tried the infamous "Update and shut down" option in any Windows build, it often leads to a reboot instead to an actual shutdown. Now, Microsoft has finally fixed this issue starting with Windows 11 25H2 Build 26200.7019 (or 26100.7019 on 24H2). According to the Windows Latest, Microsoft has shipped this broken functionality way back with Windows 10, and has never fixed it since. However, the Windows teams working behind the update have finally managed to ship a working solution with a note stating in Windows 11 experiences that the new build: "Addressed underlying issue which can cause "Update and shutdown" to not actually shut down your PC after updating."

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 85 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

Great. Now can we have the option for a vertical task bar back?

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 48 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)
[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 34 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Imagine using an operating system that you don’t have to labor away to escape advertisements and upselling after every update.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

true dat.

my statement was more you can do whatever you want in KDE

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[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, but it'll take them another ten years

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 19 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Just for the sake of the anecdote, I just discovered that in KDE Plasma, you can put a taskbar anywhere you like, including vertically, resize it, and even rotate it at an arbitrary angle! it's pretty much useless... but you can

[–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

You can even have like...40 taskbars floating in the middle of the screen!

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[–] original_reader@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Even just a top bar would be great.

How could the taskbar regress so badly?

Literally one of the reasons Windows boots so rarely on my devices.

[–] tordenflesk@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

It baffles me how few people know that they can just replace the Explorer shell.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/shell-launcher/

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You could have vertical task bar in vanilla windows 10. They took it out in 11 because fuck you, presumably.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago

They rewrote it and only implemented half the features. Just like the settings app and a bunch of other things. Because who ever cared about feature parity?

[–] Nelots@piefed.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That baffles you? I'd be willing to bet that 99% of windows users don't even know what explorer.exe is.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Rotate your screen 90°

Edit your fonts so they are readable at 90°

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 weeks ago

Why the fuck are they fighting the vertical task bar? Or the 3D files folder? I've wasted so much time in connecting this shite OS from OneDrive and copilot.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How about today's, random complete freeze. Had to hard reboot then spend 30 minutes watching it trying to "fix the issue". It then failed to find anything. So I had to force it to reboot to windows. Then it worked fine the rest of the day.

While it was down, I was working on my 11 year old, budget laptop running Mint.

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[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 35 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

So, I settled on Nobara (Plasma desktop) almost week ago now. Besides my troubles with Wacom tablet (it happens with all distros I tried, no solution so far), it's all good. The OS isn't constantly nagging me about something. It doesn't lie about not restarting when I ask it to hold off -and consequently lose no work because of it. There is no random ad on the login screen. No web results sorted to appear first when I type to search for a local file or command. I can disable stuff I don't use, such as window animations, etc. No shovelware like one-fucking-drive or some LLM butler taking up room, ram, and mental health.

All in all, I feel weirdly at peace when using this machine. It's just a tool that's succeeding in getting out of the way.

The only downside is I can't use the Affinity suite, but besides that... perfect

[–] far_university1990@reddthat.com 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks ! will certainly test when I get the chance. No hardware acceleration isn't surprising, but it may be worth the trouble still

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Please share findings :-3

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 6 points 4 weeks ago

Been using Nobara for nearly a year. Pretty solid. My biggest complaint about the distro is googling it spoiled an anime I wasn't really planning on watching in the first place.

[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Good timing. The straw the broke the camel’s back before switching to Linux two months ago was watching my PC reboot after “update and shutdown” and saying “I shouldn’t have to deal with this!”

[–] phubarr@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

"Too little, too late"

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

That's basically what pissed me off too, but instead I set up an MECM server to control updates.

What finally made me switch is it bluescreened on boot after an update. Even a fresh install, as soon as I applied the latest update, it bluescreened every time again. No point in fighting that when Debian is right there and it Just Works.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For me it was not being able to keep a homebridge VM from crashing. Threw it on Debian and it hasn’t gone down once. Dual booting for now but I’m moving everything over. The final piece was seeing how fast Debian copies files. It’s instant most of the time. Made me realize that the “nice” speed dialog is literally just show and slowing down the functionality by quite a bit. What a pig.

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[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Maybe one day they’ll fix applications on the task bar not focusing when you click on them, don’t get confused here, these are applications already open and in the background but clicking the icon on the taskbar occasionally does nothing until you manually bring it to the foreground.

Wild this is a billion dollar company.

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think you missing just a few zeroes there.

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[–] trk@aussie.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

Also the fact CTRL-C randomly doesn't copy.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So that’s not just me! I’ve also had Alt+Tab get stuck showing all windows and not move to the selected one lately. Gahhh.

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[–] JFLennson@feddit.org 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So it actually was a bug. All these years I gaslit myself I was too tired, too high or maybe just missclicked this time. That's actually funny. How fucking incapable is Microsoft xd?

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

Haha same. There's been times I woke up to find my PC on when I was sure I had turned it off, so figured I must have forgot.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 24 points 3 weeks ago

Excellent. Sometimes I'd use the option for my work machine on a Friday only to find the fucking thing had rebooted instead.

Let's see if it behaves when I do it in an hour or two.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

maybe next they can work on making shut down actually shut down too, instead of me coming back three hours later to the remainders of a poor attempt

[–] nukeforyou@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] a_postmodern_hat@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Was this typed from muscle memory?

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[–] Gloria@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Too little too late. Shit like this would not fly in an open OS and is they were only able to do it that long, as they give a shot about customer demands. Fuck these proprietary software! Never again will i be held back by corpo software!

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[–] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

How convenient that windows 10 support is over. They probably had the fix and waited to ensure more people downgrade to 11

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

dude my win10 install at work has been getting seemingly exponentially more glitchy in the past month or two. it seems intentional at this point

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Can they fix the "randomly turn itself back on and drain the battery while in its bag so that it's always dead when you actually need to use it on the go" problem?

Because that's been a problem for like 20 years at this point and means I have to treat my laptops as if they don't actually have batteries because it's schrodinger's power any time I pull one out to work.

I was at a conference this week, and half the attendees were huddled in the cafeteria the whole time because there were some tables on one wall with outlets.

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[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, this was a general issue? It was driving me crazy as I was certain I hit "shut down" instead of "reboot". I am soon getting a Linux laptop at work anyway (I've only been waiting about 5 montha for it now, so any day now!) - so I will hopefully not experience this fix.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One reason why it's trash, tackled. A million more to go. Can't wait to see their progress in 2036

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

More bugs, less fixes.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Right, so they wait until just after Windows 10 reaches EOL to release the patch for this annoying bug. Typical. They've probably had the solution ready for ages.

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

But there will never be another Windows 10 update, so it's really no longer an issue.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

That's my point. I feel like they have been sitting on this for a while and didn't release it ages ago because it would be one more thing to reduce the odds of people shifting from 10 to 11.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 3 weeks ago

Wow Microsoft have actually introduced the one and only reason to update to Windows 11.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

For now. In due time, they will have some regression much like how Windows always breaks down and makes me cry.

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