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Before I say anything further, yes I know how much the recommended VPNs cost. I can read. Please do not interrogate me about it.

I've been wanting to get into torrenting for a while, particularly contributing to private trackers related to music (and to a lesser extent retro games, though I don't have much original stuff to put there as it's harder to find rare games than rare music). FMHY recommends RiseUp if I must get a free VPN while I'm working on my financial situation, though I'm not sure whether it's been tested in court. What are my options, if any?

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[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 96 points 1 month ago

If you don’t have the money for a proper VPN provider, you definitely don’t have the money for a legal defense if it came to that. Save your money and only begin once you can afford reasonable protections.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Use someone else's wifi.

I used to park my car in a Home Depot parking lot when I went to work with a laptop torrenting until the battery died.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 26 points 1 month ago

I lived above a Starbucks for a while, that was the best VPN I ever had!

[–] RoabeArt@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I used to do that at the Burger King that was next to my old house. I'd prop my laptop up by the window the faced the restaurant and start downloading.

Then at some point they added something to the WiFi that, after you've been connected for like 30 minutes, disconnects you. You wouldn't be banned or anything, it would just cut the connection until you go back to the captive portal and click "I Agree" again.

I feel like a lot of public WiFis these days have data caps and throttling to circumvent downloading.

[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

Hard to get a positive seed ratio this way, but definitely seems like best bet for someone that can't afford airvpn

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 62 points 1 month ago (1 children)

RiseUp is slow and intended for activists and the politically vulnerable. It's not for poor people who cannot afford a $5 a month VPN. You will be fucking over people with much more legitimate use cases than yours if you start using it for torrenting.

[–] ScratchySoft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I see... Not sure what I'm supposed to do then.

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[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

this is like asking how to safely hook up with strangers at the bar if you can't afford condoms to help protect you from STIs. if you can't afford a VPN, you can't afford to get disconnected by your ISP for three strikes, let alone afford a settlement because some copyright troll logged your IP as a downloader. just don't do it until you can properly put some safeguards in place.

[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Public WiFi exists and it's also pretty easy to get free condoms.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Pro tip: Never use public WiFi without wearing a condom.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why does this anti poor bullshit have so many upvotes? Public WiFi exists and it’s also pretty easy to get free condoms.

hey hows about you go fuck yourself

[–] liliumstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You can get into private trackers and trust them. Not recommended, but some do.

Generally speaking, the copyright trolls only target public trackers and DHT. There have been some instances of them making way into TL and others. Your ISP could also identify torrenting on private trackers if they wanted to, even with mitigations. In my experience and from what I hear, most ISPs do not go to these lengths.

So, there a risk doing the above. Whether or not it's worth it until you can afford a decent VPN is up to you.

Aside: Please do not use a free VPN for torrenting (or tor, for that matter). They are either like RiseUp and run on donations for people who really, really need them, or Proton which is commercial and specifically try to block or slow down the traffic. Either way, if ruins it for everyone else.

[–] LisaTrevor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

free proton blocks p2p connections anyway

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[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 month ago

I would suggest don't.

For downloading, look at DDL sites.

For uploading, if you can't do it safely, don't. Stash it all, make backups, keep it until you can do it safely.

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 month ago

If you use private trackers, a VPN is irrelevant. All you need to do is fully encrypt your traffic in your torrent client so your ISP can't see what you're doing. It's been working just fine for me for 15 years, and I've never gotten a letter.

[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 16 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I mean you can avoid all that. If you're just interested in music and retro games then just use soulseek and use the rom megathread. both of which are going to be either peer to peer or direct downloads. no torrenting.

Rom megathread (web search it) has quite literally everything. no need to search, no need to torrent, it's all right there. And soulseek with Nicotine+ just works like napster. sign up, be sure to share your music library, and then have at it.

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[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I2p is slow and lacks selection but could work.

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[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

You could also consider looking into a private tracker. It’s not 100% safe but much more safe than a public tracker. It’s also kind of fun getting into it, but hard to get invited.

[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Borrowed WiFi is definitely your best bet. Find a place with a fast public WiFi network you can reach from your car.

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[–] plateee@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Look at newsgroups - some indexers are free, others have a lifetime fee that's reasonable. I moved to nzbs and haven't looked back - I can't get dinged for sharing copyrighted stuff if I'm only downloading, never uploading.

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[–] jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

An alternative that hasn't been presented yet.

Why not use less well known foreign public trackers? Rutracker has a stupid amount of content, including a lot of niche music content.

If you are worried about Rutracker being too well known, you can try Mazepa Torrent. This is only relevant for movies and shows. Their collection isn't as good as rutracker, but they have most new releases. While the default audio language is Ukrainian, English is always included (this would an issue for non-English language movies/shows, but English subtitles are usually included).

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Tribler or i2p.

Edit: there are also non-bittorrent p2p networks out there like Retroshare, but I haven't used them, so don't know how useful they are.

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[–] stupid_asshole69@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I been using torrents since they became a good option a little over twenty years ago. I’ve torrented using public and all manner of private trackers both with and without vpn or tor.

I have received letters from various ISPs during those years. Here’s what it all boils down to:

What’s most important: turn off peer exchange and dht, turn on require encryption.

What’s also important: only use private trackers.

What’s less important, but good to have: use a vpn with port forwarding with your client bound to its interface. It doesn’t matter if you don’t bind the client to the vpn interface so make sure you do that.

E: just read through the comments on your native instance that don’t show up to me normally. There’s some old misinformation going around still. I’m not gonna argue or go into great detail but things like only leeching, only using foreign trackers or using someone else’s WiFi don’t do anything to help you avoid some kind of letter.

[–] ScratchySoft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I definitely don't want to just leech. I use slsk right now and barely use it for downloading, just sharing rare music I find in local thrift stores and such.

[–] stupid_asshole69@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Go test into one of the music trackers. It’s easy if you can follow instructions and retain information. If you end up feeling like the social expectations of a private tracker are tripping you up then spend a little time on the mya tracker to get used to it first.

If you’re making your own rips then being exposed to the information, toolsets and expectations of the private trackers will improve the quality of your output.

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[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

There’s a few free vpn providers out there. You could do a little homework and see if they are a good option. I tend to mistrust free services like that (if I’m not paying, who is, and what are they paying for?), but if you’re in a pinch it’s something to research.

Another option is to look for deals. Sometimes VPN providers will have a super sale a few times a year. I think once I got a NordVPN subscription for THREE YEARS for like $60. It’s more expensive than a single month of anything, yes, but if you can afford a onetime expense it’s nice not to have to worry about a recurring monthly cost.

Your other option is to not use torrents. Usenet is still the grand daddy of file sharing and is pretty much anonymous. Most Usenet hosts are paid, but back in the day even ISPs ran their own servers. It could be worth looking and seeing if there’s any free or low cost providers there.

[–] Rabbit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mullvad is €5 a month for total of €60 for a year.

Save up then torrent. If you live in the US you risk way more in fines than what €60 for a year of VPN would cost.

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[–] danisth@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Others have mentioned private trackers, it’s not a perfect defence by any means, but dm me and I can send you an invite to one (torrentleech)

[–] mustlane@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Uhmm, I know that it might come off as begging, but may I also have an invite? I've been using RuTracker for 5 years at this point, but some stuff is just isn't there.

Thanks in advance!

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[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I use Cloudflare Warp and make qbittorrent only able to torrent if it’s connected to Warp

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago

I would prioritize a VPN ahead of an ISP. Free Open/Public APs are not uncommon in my area.

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't usually recommend this, but since you are in a situation where you really can't afford a VPN or a seedbox and live in a country where torrenting is prosecuted then I think that grants a free pass to abuse the tor network a bit and torrent over tor.

There are some guides online on now to route the traffic, note that it's very easy to leak traffic if you don't know what you're doing. Look for a good guide . I'm guessing the safest way to do it is by using Whonix.

If going that route avoid downloading big torrents if you can find smaller ones or try to search for direct downloads first.

And also, I don't usually say this, but, avoid seeding. Yes leeching is bad, but saturating tor is probably worse I think.

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[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Doesn't Proton have a free VPN tier? I think it doesn't support port forwarding so your connections would be limited, but that might still work?

Otherwise, check the megathread and go with direct downloads. Those happen over https so completely encrypted.

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[–] palarith@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Its being a while for me but windscribe and seedr had totally usable free tiers

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