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[–] klu9@piefed.social 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pro-tip in case you're unsure:

  • "Mary" is pronounced "Mary".
  • "Merry" is pronounced "merry".
  • "Marry" is pronounced "marry".

You're welcome.

[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)
  • Mary rhymes with fairy.
  • Merry rhymes with berry.
  • Marry rhymes with carry.
[–] Zorcron@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe this is a whoosh on my part, but for people who pronounce all the Mary’s the same, they tend to pronounce all of those words to rhyme as well.

[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

~~So ferry rhymes with fairy?~~

Edit: Is ferry is pronounced the same as fairy?

[–] Thisiswritteningerman@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I meant to ask "Is ferry is pronounced the same as fairy?"

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I think it's part and parcel with the Mary merry marry merger. It's not just about those 3 words, but those 3 sounds.

[–] Zorcron@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I’m from the green zone but it should be blue honestly. Where even is the blue on this map?

[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You can't see it because this is a photo from a book that was released back in like 2013 with a ton of various images that more better utilized the colors.

Example:
h7Hmsr3uUOGcue9.jpg

OP's image must have been stolen and reuploaded again and again and again to get us where we are today.

[–] dmention7@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

Not just that, there is a neat quiz that tries to predict where you are from, based on how you pronounce various words!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/dialect-quiz-map.html

(I see that it is now behind a paywall... 😞)

[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's a tiny community in Wisconsin that has the Delco accent. It's there.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 3 points 1 week ago

Probably a city that is too hard to make out with so few pixels. I would assume Boston, because it would be Boston.

Or maybe they included it because some areas have marry pronounced differently, but forgot to include one for Mary being pronounced differently.

[–] not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Why is blue in the key when there's no blue on the map?

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It drove me crazy when I first moved out of New Jersey and heard so many people "mispronouncing" vowels like this. See also "pen" pronounced as "pin", "Laura" and "Lara" being pronounced the same, etc. The "e" to "i" vowel shift in particular has become extremely prominent throughout much of the US.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Going to school in NJ, I had a teacher whose first name was "Dawn" and she hated it. I didn't understand, I thought it was a pretty name.

But then I grew up, left the state, and wondered why everyone referred to the morning as "don." That's when it all clicked (or, you could say, it dawned on me.) Other states don't pronounce the "aw" part, making "Dawn" and "Don" sound the same. In New Jersey, they are distinct. Now I see why having that name could be upsetting.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 3 days ago

That one, especially, has also driven me crazy. That poor woman.

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[–] paranoid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

TIL that the greatest state in the union knows how to correctly pronounce three distinctly different words...

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

All three are different. I grew up in Philly and South Jersey

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Can you explain ... how?

With IPA or 'sounds like' analogies?

I am genuinely baffled here, PNW accent, they're all the same.

I would pronounce all of these the same.

First syllable same as 'mare', a mature female horse.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/mare

(US pronounciation)

Although I'd say it faster and with less obvious of a 'y' sound.

Second syllable would just be... E, like the letter E, as in whee! or bee or see or sea or flee or flea.

Mehr-ee.

What are you guys doing, how do you modify this to come up with two or three distinct pronunciations for the different words?

Different vowel sounds?

???

[–] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

ˈmeəɹi, ˈmæɹi, and ˈmɛɹi as in Mary, Marry, and merry. Longish a, short a, short e

Edit. O wait, you're the same dude I responded to above. Nvm.

Edit2.

Mary rhymes with airy,

Marry rhymes with carry,

Merry rhymes with very.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Woop, sorry about double posting, but I'll have to look up those IPA symbols... because again lol:

Mary Marry Merry?

Airy Carry Very?

Berry Weary Fairy Ferry Nary Hairy Larry?

... these are all the same, all perfect rhymes to me.


Ok... so, at an IPA chart...

https://www.internationalphoneticalphabet.org/ipa-sounds/ipa-chart-with-sounds/

ˈmeəɹi

Becomes Meyh-uh-ree, where ... I guess the first two vowels roll or blend? Or is there just an extra syllable in there?

This makes me think of how I would lazily/casually say mayonnaise: Meyh-uh-nayz.

If I wanted to convey being more ... proper, intentional, or perhaps demeaning, I would say: Meyh-oh-nayz.

ˈmæɹi

Is basically Mehr-ee, as I say all of these.

ˈmɛɹi

To me, this also sounds like two syllables, Meyh-uh-ree, though I can at least tell that pitch wise, it is in between the other two.

So, to my ear, if you were to say airy or very, I'd basically be hearing you add in an additional 'uh' syllable in the middle of the words, along with the pitch differences.

[–] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So I've been talking to myself for a while out loud now...

I agree with the 'uh' insertion. The word seems as if someone added a neural sound to stretch the vowel without adding another syllable though.

As for marry and merry I definitely hear a vowel color change. Merry is 'brighter' and I hear a definite 'ɛ' as in bed; and marry/Mary a neutral ʌ or ə; the vowel in Mary sounds longer, as if prolonged by inserting an 'uh' to enunciate (maybe over-) clearly.

Oh and in response to the rhymes. To my ear weary does not rhyme with the rest of your examples but weary does rhyme with teary. Berry only rhymes with ferry, Larry, and Harry. And Fairy rhymes with hairy but not the others.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah, you bring up a good point with 'weary'.

Sort of like 'mayonnaise' for myself, I will just sometimes shift the vowel sound.

Sometimes, its 'weer-ee', sometimes its 'wehr-ee'.

'weer' being the same as in queer, 'kweer', but without q/'k', and 'wehr' again being like mare, 'mehr', but just with a 'w' instead of an 'm', so 'wehr', I guess also like werewolf, or just where.

I'm not sure if that's a weird personal quirk of mine, or a general PNW accent thing, I can just say that I grew up hearing about half of people pronounce it one way, half pronounce it the other way, so the way i 'solved' this 'problem' was to... just sometimes flip between both, trying to match whoever I was speaking with.

I would actually have to look it up to see what the dictionary correct pronunciation is, hah!


Also, it would seem that for words actually spelled *airy, you pronounce them all the same, with what I am understanding as roughly an additional -uh syllable... hey its a consistent rule and makes sense!

Then *★rry words are also all rhyming for you, which is again a consistent spelling to pronunciation rule, just with the different vowel pitch or brightness or color, that to my ear does not have an -uh insertion.


But uh ... assuming you meant 'neutral sound' not 'neural sound'... I think when two vowels are sort of rolled or blended together, this is called a 'dipthong' in phonetics.

There is some specific term for this, and I think the extent to which they are smoothly blended, vs rendered as sort of two distinct syllables... there's also some term for that.

So... what is probably happening is that you have a larger phoneme library than me, a larger set of total distinct sounds you are used to making words with, and this is basically a foreign, near incomprehensible concept to me, sort of like taking a native Japanese speaker and trying to teach them how to make a clear distinction between 'r' and 'l'.

Like uh, when I learned a bit of Spanish... I just basically cannot roll my r's.

I would have to do like, weeks to months of intentional vocal training to actually teach myself how to properly roll my r's, with all possible proceeding and subsequent vowels, I can only do it with some, and it's basically like trying to make my mouth do a trick, do a cartwheel, vs just normally walking, if that makes any sense.

[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is the Wikipedia entry for Philadelphia English and it's a long read.

[–] Mesophar@pawb.social 2 points 1 week ago

Grew up in Northern PA and Jersey here, and same, all 3 are pronounced differently.

[–] Cargon@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As someone from a red area, how tf are these pronounced differently?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Can anyone from Philly or Jersey or Mass. actually explain this with IPA or something?

The rest of us are genuinely baffled as to how ya'll are doing this.

Don't make me post the Pam 'they're the same' meme.

[–] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Ok so not native speaker but lived in Rhode Island for a long while. Here's what I hear:

ˈmeəɹi, ˈmæɹi, and ˈmɛɹi as in Mary, Marry, and merry. Longish a, short a, short e.

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 5 points 1 week ago

I'm from NJ and these are all different sounds to me. This short shows the difference: https://youtube.com/shorts/S3EaMZUXQYs

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Mary–marry–merry merger

~~Geoff Lindsey on YouTube might have a video on the topic. He's great at explaining phonetics of modern English.~~ Lindsey mentions the merger here, but only very briefly.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

His name is...

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[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago

I think we can all agree that Ohio sucks. Pic unrelated.

[–] kdcd@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Can confirm as someone from Massachusetts I pronounce all three differently

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Mary, Marry, Merry, and Maurry are all pronounced the same when I say them.

It really annoys Maurry. 😈

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Why does one state reject homonyms?

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